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You know me and my songs......................it's how I think................I worship too........... There are just some things that we won't know until another day...... So for all you music fans, here's Nicole Nordeman with Someday I believe in the rest of the story I believe there's still ink in the pen I have wasted my very last day Trying to change what happened way back when I believe it's the human condition We all need to have answers to why More than ever, I'm ready to say that I Will still sleep peacefully With answers out of reach from me until? (chorus) Someday all that's crazy All that's unexplained Will fall into place And someday all that's hazy Through a clouded glass Will be clear at last And sometimes we're just waiting For someday We are born with a lingering hunger We are born to be unsatisfied We are strangers who can't help but wander And dream about the other side of? (chorus) Someday......... Every puzzle's missing piece Every unsolved mystery More than half of every whole Rests in the Hands that hold you for someday?. Thanks sonofarthur and everyone for this discussion.

Hey Bumpy. Welcome. If you want more biblical discussions, go down to the Doctrinal section....................I'll be................ nice.

Thanks T-Bone for sharing this. I just wanted to add a little ''help'' for all those reading, and participating................. Please PRAY about this topic. It is a very divisive one at best, and not easy to read if you are convinced that the Way had it all right! In all our endevours, we should pray before we do them, and pray to get understanding. Ask the Father to show you what you need to know at this time. Then, be a Berean! Study what is written here, to see whether these things are so. I am stepping down from the box now....................... .

To quote many ''innies'' today................... "I am BELIEVING to see you next week (or next month or sometime)..........." Response: "So, if I don't see you, who's fault is it or failed believing???? MINE YOURS OR GODS????????????"

Belle darling, It's worth a shot, but it's a gamble whether they really want to keep up the friendship or not. We have many that ''fake it'' or never call us at all anymore. One thing is for sure, don't badmouth the Way, just talk about how happy you are. *badmouthing will shut down all communication...................................unless they are OUT TOO!) Just recently I sent a family that are (were) very good friends of ours, and are Way Disciples right now. I sent a care package and a note that said, "We may not support The Way, but we support YOU". They sent notes of thanks, but of course, the relationship is a little akward and strange. But, no worries. If they wake up and leave, they'll know who to call!

SonofArthur said "where do we begin?" How bout with a song???????????? Great topic by the way.............. Personally I think this song demonstrates ALL of what xway believers deal with in terms of changing their beliefs. It is ridiculous how twisted we learned about the trinity. Whether it is true or not, no matter, we were taught wrong about their beliefs! As I was reading all these posts, I was humming this tune, although I don't agree with it now. All these questions sound logical, but if the trinitarians don't believe it either, than there is no arguement. We (I) was convinced that these were true. I am a 85% trinitarian now. Only been out almost 2 years................... Your Holy Spirit info is what I need to go over. :) thanks. So, here is the song, maybe we should break it down, since that is what Wayfers argue about? It is really funny too (and heretical???) (Chorus) Somebody lied Cuz God never died He didn't bleed On Calvary's tree If that were true As many have said Then who raised him from the dead. If we just get logical I am sure that we'd agree That God is God and Christ is Christ and one's not really three If someone knows the answer than please explain to me Who was Jesus talking to when he was on the tree chorus (ohhhohhhhohh) After Jesus Christ was baptized, he turned his eyes above saw the spirit of God descend upon him like a dove If it really happend like some of us have heard You got a God on the ground and God up in heaven "giving him the bird'' chorus (oohwaaaooo) Christ said we surely do greater works than these but only if we know the truth can we be truly free so understand we've been redeemed, lord Jesus was the Christ for those that think he is God are of the antichrist! chorus God is the Father and the son is Christ that's what my bible said! {Bob Stanley, blessed be his name}

All this HOOOOOHAAAA just for asking for a book.............................. what about my post about ''giving away all my Way children's books?" Are you going to judge my "Intent''? "well bliss, if you don't agree with the Way, then why would you even want to give it to someone who supports them, or still believes in their trash............................." come on~!

How did I get to know him? By surrendering. "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me.........for my yoke is easy, and my burden is light''.........Matthew 11:29-30 I can either take His yoke and allow Him to lead and we pull together, or I can do it all my way and constantly struggle, tell Him what to do, be in control.........(like in TWI days). Surrendering puts all your trust, your will, your habits, into His hands. And there we build intimacy. It's not even what I can do for Him, its what I allow Him to do through me. Surrender, is not ''commitment''. I did a lot of ''commiting'' in TWI, I always seemed to fail. I commited to this , that and everything the Way put in front of me. Not once did it make me know my Lord, only made me resentful. But, when I learned to surrender to Him, all resentment went away, and I was forever changed.

ditto what sonofarthur said. In TWI, I learned alot ABOUT Jesus Christ. But I did not KNOW HIM. This was the biggest lightbulb moment since leaving...................

After selling 3 Playstation 3's on ebay, I am done with them (ebay) for awhile!!!!! LOOOOONGG story. Nope sorry no ruby dove ring................... how bout "Teaching God's Word to Children'' book????

:blink: ................ point being the ''extremes''. History channel didn't talk about the ''deprogramers'' Garth. (If I remember correctly). Parents seeing '' Jonestown'' unfold before their eyes is enough for them to want to get their kids ''out of the cult'' that belives Jesus is NOT God. Just gave them more fuel. (I know they knew nothing of abuses).

Cause, no. Allow, Yes. Case in point, Most everyone.....................ok, ALL the apostles of Jesus Christ suffered one way or another, even when ''moved by the holy spirit'' to write the scriptures. Just look at Paul. I haven't been through one quarter of the suffering they went through. God didn't cause it, but He also didn't get him out of it either. WHY? Simon ''suffered'' when Jesus was obedient to the cross, by having to ''carry'' the cross for him. Was that from God? It was from man, but, I believe whenever we are obedient to God, it may cause some suffering in others. IMHO :)

It was on a few weeks ago. MY WHOLE FAMILY watched it! It was so freaky. But good. It just showed you how powerful people can be, and how people get sucked into ''following man''.... **sounds familar** Anyway, now I realize why so many families were freaked out when their kids got involved with the Way........ and then hired ''deprogramers'' and kidnapped them! The stuff that these wackos did, I would of done the same............................. unless I was duped too.

HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I just found an "Athletes of the Spirit Production" Puzzle! It's got them all in tights!!!! Maybe we should start a cult museum? Anyone got a big pad to house all this stuff?

I am cleaning out. Don't want them. Do you? A ton of old Children's mags from the Way, starting............1981-1997 and a silver lapel pin with the Way logo like we did at Camp Gunnison. Any takers (for nostalgia sake????) :unsure:

I guess I am always a day late and a dollar short!

Am I just imagining it, or is there a LOT of traffic here at GS? Prob the CES thing, but still, I've never seen this much. 446 users at one time! I was waiting for that number to change from Dec of 2005 last year, I think is was 57! Paw, do you need help?

oh we are so excited. What is even better is that we just cancelled cable cuz we will eventually get satellite, but for now we only have an antena! Guess what chanel comes in the clearest??????? FOX of course. If I didn't, I would of been calling for service asap! I heard Jack looks pretty scary at first (beard and all) and something crazy happens in the first 4 minutes! We shall see............................... ****hunny move that antena to the left, no no, a little to the right...........oh , ok, ya, perfect! ****** hit wrong button, sorry for all the mispelled words.........duh

Here is an interesting article to check out on that verse. Ray Stedman http://www.pbc.org/library/files/html/3696.html It is interesting to note the key differences he handles the Word in comparison to "way teachings''.

I know some WC in Indy that are ''renting to own'' and boasting about that! That is a real BAD DEAL for the ''renters'', and a VERY Good deal for the owners. How can that be a fair exchange according to TWI? See, people will do anything to stand approved before the BOD just to stay in the Way................even on pain of poverty! I know folks in Colorado that had their parents buy them a home so they could be Fellowship Coord~ so @$#^%$&*%#^*%*^%$%$#!@ stupid~!

If I might add WB..............(I would of laughed too.... ) They don't know any better, so when things got ''better'' in wayville, that is what they say! (no more confrontations, LOVE teachings....not much debt talk....) See, everything is QUIET in wayville right now..............quiet = ''better''. They think that those are THE REASONS most of us don't go back! "Things are so much better now, come back, we are sweet and tender..........again....!" They see no other REASONS why we would not go back if the LOVE is back. A good response might be to have premade cards with www.greaspotcafe.com written on them. Tell, them that is where you go to church now. and it aint just for the LOVE. ooops forgot the ''e'' in grease.................sorry

Kevlar- I'd say NOPE! What I did get was a '' we are so busy and have soooooooo many victories and stories to elaborate on BUT IT WOULD TAKE TOO LONG!"

OUTWARD ONLY Is the change you'll see. I just got a lovely Christmas, I mean, HO HO card fron a Way Disciple (Corps intern) on the field right now. Since I am a ''cop out'' they keep everything oh so pretty for me. But, seems that they have "seen many deliverances and miracles." Oh, and ''the fellowships are tender NOW". I am sure. It's the innies on the field that know that they are to LOVE GOD and NEIGHBOR. Unfortunately, the ''vehicle'' they use to bring that love is full of EVIL! I pray for God to show them a ''better way''. A Way OUT!

ah Socks, you had to bring it up! I just did a study on the early Christian martyrs, and I tell you, I am not sure that many in this day and age fit into these categories. I had to really dig deep to see if I could face an inquisition, on pain of death, and NOT deny my Lord! What they went through is awe-inspiring. We are to be a ''living'' sacrifice, for sure. So have I sacrificed my life for Him? Have I put away all that holds me back? My pride, my feelings, my hurts, my worries, my fears, my ''stuff'' from Pier One??????? There are many Christians still being persecuted today throughout the world, that are hiding out in basements, and holes in the ground just to study the bible together! They are being persecuted for believing in Christ. And here we are, discussing this group that has persucuted their own in the name of Christ! :blink: