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Hmm Doesnt the quote go, "Choose your rut wisely, you may be there a while?" Very appropriate I believe. I spent 20 years in my twi rut--never questioning, never looking at any "resources" other than twi publications, tapes and approved "research books" So the Corpse gets to regurgitate all of the wonderful classes offered by twi AND now also has official study time for the collaterals as well. Oh goody! Even their special Advanced Class Special on researching the Word only used the collaterals with a few stopovers in a concordance or lexicon that lined up exactly with what the collaterals were saying. There were SOO many REALLY bored people in that room!!

I have purposely avoided KJV because my brain goes on twi tangents. I have been reading (just for enjoyment) the NIV. I have been told the NASB has italics for where words have been added just like the KJV.

Ok everyone ... "Let's do the Time Warp Again!!!!!" Every time I attempt to read one of these articles... I want to do this.... and it seems like this starts to happen. I know we have people just waiting to see what goes wrong with us since we left "the household" In reality, I had missed out on a huge chunk of life since I was so busy obeying twi. I started to neglect that intimate relationship I was supposed to have with God and with Jesus Christ.

Interesting from what I gather anyone living together who wants to get married needs to do a justice of the peace thing....but then twi always makes exceptions if your relatives know the right people in leadership and are good enough at brown-nosing.

Thanks Belle! I had to go ahead and pick the first two rounds--as of this morning I had 10 right and 5 wrong. I think by now more of my picks have lost. I went too safe and went by their seeds and percentages without allowing for any underdogs. I will probably have to pick the next round Monday

Hmm corpse of the nineties..... In rez started with back to back face meltings....... continued with more face meltings...not wanting to sit in front row of corpse nites or STS due to spittle flying in your direction.....learned to be mean and tough to fellow corpse bros and sis.....no weakness allowed.....and tons of in rez corpse getting kicked out...along with disappearing staff...corpse people being killed in accidents and craig said it was because they 1. changed their schedule 2. were not 2 by 2 ....no questions allowed-just jump!

The only good thing about corpse was I met my honey during my training.

Yep the M*llins are and have been for several years region coordinators again. And gee-as messed up as they supposedly were, they were never actually dropped from corpse!

I dont know how many of you follow college hoops--I don't but I need help picking the winners in each region for a contest. Any suggestions?

Not tempted in the least!! You would have to drag me kicking and screaming!!! And I would have said that while still in and drunk on the Kool Aid!

Well, I am sure that twi believes they are holding off bin laden and his crew as well since they still have an emergency what to have list in case of terrorist attacks. Have since 2001. Don't forget to have plastic covering or pre-cut to cover your windows in case of a chemical attack!!!

It sure is Belle! I think they threw that comment in to distract us from the fact they actually said adultury was wrong! :blink:

Oldies--I like that question--you think we can find an innie to ask it this spring/summer when they run the class again. I wish I would have thought about it!! lol

I too have heard there is no mark and avoid list anymore...but the next sentence was that former way grads that are very outspoken and bitter about twi are on a list to not allow in to fellowship Seems like the same boring teachings that can put you to sleep even if you've had lots of cups of coffee!

What was expected of you certainly did change. I entered the corpse to be the best twig coordinator I could be. I wanted to help people whichever way I could. I knew corpse twig coordinators that were going back to school and some corpse grads with no assignment. Well, everyone knows now that being a lowly twig coordinator in the 90's meant you were not living up to your salt as corpse because in the 90's and later it was a requirement to be able to handle a branch, limb or region if you wanted to stay active corpse. Course these days there are "branches" with just 2 fellowships!)

Well, the men can post too--I am sure they have observations. Thanks BB for the quote. I am still suffering from the glass heart and can relate to it. Think about marching around with wooden spoons--how much did us women have to harden our hearts in order to use that on our sweet liitle ones?

I am not sure how to phrase this question, but another ew-twi said this to me tonight and it sort of made some sense. She said, "TWI tried to make us (females) into men" She was referring to how we learned not to be emotional, and how we were always supposed to be tough. I know that I was constantly pushed to be more confrontational and "hold the line." with people. Is this something you noticed or can relate too? I know that a lot of my emotions got turned off over time. (Except anger and frustration--and of course fear.) I know some of the twi women were the worst a-holes around! Oh by the way everyone--I guess you've noticed I can't seem to stay away from the cafe after all!!! lol

AmazingGrace, Sounds like you found a decent church for now. I too have been hanging out in a non-denominational church. They believe baptism is an ordinance in the church but that it is not required for salvation. It is more like a step you take after being born again and making Jesus Christ Lord. You have to specifically request to be baptized. To me it felt like an important step to take after leaving twi --especially once I realized how much control I had allowed my leadership to have over me. I was a good twiggie and asked twig coordinator's approval on almost everything. (Even with my Way Corpse training.) I figure if one point of what I was taught in twi was wrong, (and the debt issue is my prime example) then I have to reevaluate EVERYTHING! And I cannot do that without being exposed to different opinions and teachings.

Happy belated birthday J!!!! :wub:

I am currently attending a church :o and they are currently memorizing and learning a chapter of the Bible together. The pastor asked his congregation if they would like to do that together. The congregation memorizes 3 verses a month and he is teaching on each verse at a time. (He usually has to take more than one week-he even goes into the Hebrew words.) He explained why he was excited about the idea but I thought it was very interesting that he was very concerned about his idea also. He was concerned that it would be a temptation to get legalistic like the Pharisees. He stated too much memorizing/studying of the Bible without keeping the right focus could lead to big egos and less love for each other and God. I find it interesting that he can see the possibility of becoming legalistic, and will stop his plan immediately if he thinks it is starting to happen.

Well, I was so excited by the prospect of a new class that I made sure I left before I had to take it to stay in good standing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Well, I would recommend reading Revelation after all. I have discovered some very interesting things in there that are very clear and contradict what vpw taught. No wonder we were discouraged from reading it! I will let you read it for full lightbulb effect.

I did a lot of praying. And I gave my spouse plenty of space to process. Part of our problem was we were afraid to talk to each other about what we were thinking. We found out we were more on the same page than we realized. Even after we agreed together to leave it still took us months to do it because of other factors. When something that came up or was taught seemed odd, we would bring it up to each other. We are still working things through but we are both happier than we have been in years.

From what I have heard about the "new" class is they took a syllabus (I had assumed it was WAP syllabus) and revised it. This was from active Corpse.

DJS, As one who stayed around during all the mark and avoid and all types of other stuff, I can say that I just kept rationalizing away anything I saw or heard that would have allowed me to consider leaving twi. I remember using the one about the ministry being made of people and people are not perfect very often. (Which is true to an extent.) After the lcm mess, I kept waiting for improvements. I eventually left twi once I realized that there HAD to be MORE to LIFE than what I was getting in twi. It was a slow and painful realization since I had devoted so many years of my life with nothing but twi as my focus. Once I left, one thing that really amazed me was how much control I had allowed twi to have over my life. Sometimes I still don't know what to do with myself! (I have been gone for less than a year.) Since leaving, my stress levels have gone down, my headaches diminished and my injury from a car accident almost 4 years ago has finally healed. What really shocked me was that I had allowed leadership to eventually take the place of my Lord Jesus Christ! Instead of listening to God working in me and following Jesus' example, I had been trained to bounce decisions off of leadership and had allowed them to tell me what to study, how to study etc. I also finally realized that so much of twi lacked balance. Anyway there is a lot more to the story, all I can say is be honest with yourself. Even if things are ok in your area are ok, do you still want to support a ministry that won't be honest and upfront with their followers? All I have seen is all the bad stuff of the past being swept under the rug, but not being dealt with. Feel free to PM me.