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I still stand by this, my earlier post. And I think that the tell-all stories from Pen, KK, Kristen Stewart, Sky, etc are a part of their own cleansing and a part of their repentance, and in large part a way to help communities (including online) understand and heal. I would like to think that in their own ways they are also active in helping the physical communities around them. There are many ways to do that, only some of which involve church- or religious-based activities.

You don't like whistle blowers in general, then, MRAP? In context of stories here and loyalty, what loyalty is owed to an organization that was disloyal from the beginning toward the person posting? What do you think of posters here like Penworks and Karl Kahler, both of whom have produced books for profit. They weren't on the fringes. Or Skyrider, who has told his story in riveting installments but won't be selling for profit or at all? And he was definitely an inner circle person.

What we need to do here, MRAP, is (1) be honest; and (2) don't be gullible. No oaths of any kind required.

I would not give mine away, nor sell them. Wouldn't give them to a charity shop - except for one, JCOP, I think it was. I wouldn't want to inflict the misery on someone else's life that was inflicted on mine. TWI's name and address is in the books and I wouldn't want anyone contacting them. There are much better study materials available, as books and online, and a good church can help.

A few years ago, I was walking down the road and here come these JWS. I watched them door knocking and getting nowhere. I too paused and talked to them, told them much the same as you did, Sky, but I doubt it had any impact. But who knows what seeds are sown? I don't mind them, in fact they're sometimes genuinely helpful - and always sincere. But we know all about misguided sincerity, don't we!

I can tell you're having fun rummaging through old threads, higherground. Here's to thinking outside the PFAL book :)

Welcome back, stringy one. I kept forgetting my password and emailed Pawtucket to reset it for me. He did, a couple of times. No doubt one of the Mods could do that for you, not sure that Pawtucket deals much with this site now.

One of many beatings, possibly. Sex predators, especially on children, are fair game in many prison.

Random number, would you prefer more, or fewer? (Maybe 666 stabs in the back would be more appropriate?)

and 297 knife wounds in the back.

Thanks, Rocky.

I'm cracking up here, the thought of it is just tooooooo funny!

Hey, you forgot their special friends, Homo, Debtbuilder, Bitterness, and Corrosive Evil. Weren't you going to take them too? Wouldn't they enjoy meeting up with their old buddies Lying, Deceit, Greed and Arrogance? (just funning around, not saying you have or ever had any such companions!!)

Can I offer you a coffee while you're waiting for those answers, Skyrider? you'll be waiting for a long time.

Is he installed as Prez now? Nothing on their website, which indicates RFR as "Chairman", and other directors (or whatever they call them) are JYdL and J Rupp. At least there's no bloody awful celebratory video. Actually, there's hardly any current info at all, although their copyright is dated 2017. I've no interest in making a serious rummage around their site.

That would have been hilarious, Skyrider, had you (and all those devil spirits that you were possessed by) had the nerve to rock up as Mrs W's escort. I hope you did something really enjoyable and family fun filled, instead.

I found - abject misery. I was committed to TWI, they weren't committed to me, and threw me out with max ignominy and slander. Lost everything - everything that I hadn't given up previously, to follow the dictates of TWI. What did I find? After 10 years, I found GreaseSpot Cafe. And then - I found out about the lies, deception, ill-treatment, and that the way I'd been treated was nothing to do with me or anything I'd done - it was merely the modus operandi of TWI. And then what did I find? I found healing, peace of mind. Joy in life. Hard times, but I could thrive in them. Great friends, some of whom had "been there" all the time for me. Restored relationships. People who were kind and gentle, and truly loving. Freedom to love and serve. No condemnation. Daily, I find something of the years that the locust had destroyed, being restored to me.

Are these kids' parents there? Good lord!

Sky, so pleased you are finding it helpful to tell your story. You will be facing fears you didn't know you had, paranoia that you did know you had - it all evaporates and you can LAUGH at it all and you revel in your freedom. I know when I found someone to share my story with - with real fear (but why?) - someone with no knowledge of TWI but a strong interest in safeguarding - just telling the story has led to such release and lightness of heart. I thought I was okay until I started talking about it. Only took 20 years to open my mouth... :( I wish you well for the future. You and Mrs Sky and your kids have a wonderful exciting and free future ahead of you.

The fear of getting away... My WoW family witnessed to a young man, early 20s, with a wonderful heart to serve. He was lovely, open, really loved being with us, and could be relied on to help out at the drop of a - telephone. One call, and this young man was there. Actually, he liked being with us so much and was so enthusiastic that it was hard to get rid of him. Salt of the earth type; never had any qualms about him. He went WoW immediately after our WoW year ended. A few months later, I heard that he'd run away from his WoW family by climbing through the bathroom window in the middle of the night. WOTTT? Climbing through a window? Middle of the night? This young man had had an abusive upbringing and was molested by an older adult family male, as a young child. He found safety and security with us, perhaps for the first time ever. I suspect he might have spoken about his history with someone when he was WoW, his Family Coordinator or some such, and had had such a grilling about himself that his fragile recently constructed life couldn't handle it. This was in the era of the homo purges. No way this young man had those sort of leanings - and he wasn't to blame for what had happened when he was a small child. I never heard anything of him ever again. I often wonder how he went on. I feel somewhat guilty and to blame for "leading him astray" into the clutches of TWI, to be further abused.

Eph 4:32 " be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted..." 1 Thess 2:7 "But we were gentle among you, even as a nurse cherishes her children..." Ellicott's Commentary (available via Biblehub): "Among you.—Rather, in the midst of you, making the gentleness still more marked. “Her,” in the Greek emphatically her own. The contrast is drawn between the charlatan, licentious, sophistical, fawning, greedy, vainglorious teachers, to whom Greeks were well accustomed, and the Apostles, sitting familiarly like mothers amidst a group of their own children, folding them for warmth to their bosoms “Keep a mother’s heart for men,” was the advice which made Henri Perreyve’s life so winning (Méditations, p. 87)." You can really see how the Lallys and other leaders took this deeply into their hearts :) Good heavens, sneaking away in the middle of the night? Whatever was he afraid of? It's amazing any of us made it out alive... some of us were barely crawling.

Steve, your posts are always challenging and thought-provoking. Totally agree that we have to think with the background of the time in mind, and not with our this-year (and worse, Western) understanding "preventing" us from seeing things as they were then, and extrapolating where necessary. In fact, we need input like yours to enable us to "pre-vent" appropriately.

Great performance from a kid that really needs a box to stand on!

Interfering beggars, Bolshevik. I've heard the expression, "It takes a village to raise a child," but this appears to be, "It takes a Branch to raise a child." Parents not required. :(

Yes 1994 it would have been. Only AC ever run in NZ. Big show made of it and people came from Australia and a couple came from USA representing HQ: Bru-ce ?? and his wife, can't remember their names. Everyone went up north for a week, to a nice location on the beach (of which there are many in NZ). Big push getting people ready for it. HG, you told me privately who's still around and most of those people took that AC class and so have had very little to do directly with HQ except perhaps (decades ago) having gone to RoA, which was hardly representative of what long-term living/being involved with TWI was like.