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Bob, speak for yourself and your own experiences. I'll do the same.

Well seeing as you want a cross section of things vital, here's my two cents about some positives: I thought VP was a great teacher who motivated thousands to love God and his Word. Glad he did that. Glad he was around to teach PFAL, and I thought several teaching points were superb, albeit controversial especially at one time, among them: salvation by grace, not works; speaking in tongues; born again of incorruptible seed; Jesus Christ is the Messiah; dead are dead, not alive; Christ in you, the hope of glory; God is God of love, mercy and forgiveness, not hate, wrath and revenge. There's probably more goodies. Glad he took a stand on those things. Glad he founded a ministry that at one time had a decent amount of real love to make it a pleasure to associate with.

Penta Water Taste great, less filling...

Which end?

Hi Sharon. --> I don't know. Do you remember the movie "The Rainmaker"? 'ol Starbuck said "give me $100 and I will make it rain". In the end, it rained, and he demanded $100. Who wouldn't pay it? He delivered on his promise...

You're welcome Sharon.

If it weren't for Dr. Wierwille I wouldn't be chatting with lovely folks on Greasespot Cafe.

CM: My prescription for you is the following: Take 3 deep breaths Relax Have a drink and...

Time to kick the twi man out the door.

It's like getting an operation for a chronic problem... You get an operation to have something removed or fixed. You want the pain to be gone! You get the operation, but the next couple of weeks, now you are in INTENSE pain from the cutting. But in the long run, you are better off because of it! Your pain is relieved!

You guys remember "One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest"? There's a segment where Randall P. McMurphy is talking to his fellow mental prisoners and asking who is committed? Turns out there were very few of them committed. Randall P. was committed though, but most of them were in the nuthouse voluntarily. "all you do is complain and complain and complain about this place, and then you don't have the guts to just walk out"? Come on man, what's up. And so some folks in twi are told they are prisoners. From this website. They are prisoners, but you don't tell them to walk out of their prison? How are YOU really helping them? By telling them how f-up twi is? Those who are IN and MISERABLE already know that. And so you complain, you coddle their misery. You incubate their pain, but you don't relieve it. Are you really helping them leave? Think about it. You say they are prisoners, but you give them no incentive or encouragement to leave their prison? Of course it's not easy. It's a damn hard choice! And telling twi to give them money, or change, or help them leave, it like expecting a turtle to be a cheetah. It ain't gonna happen.

Forget about twi leadership and what they think. When I was in twi and the times I was miserable because of it, I didn't care what leadership thought and didn't hang around and complain, I left. Don't listen to people who don't give a fig about you.Yes it meant doing things alone and not going to their fellowships anymore, and distruption of your life. It may mean losing your job. It may mean losing your spouse, although for some that might be a good thing. It may mean losing contact with your children. A very tough decision, but no more than a miserable marriage that breaks up. Misery may cause ulcers, what good are you to your children when you have them? It can be a hard decision, but I maintain that if you are miserable in twi, you owe it to yourself to get up and leave. God doesn't want you to be miserable. Your children will understand your decision some day if they can't now. I like the idea of the tough love concept. It toughens you up. Sort of makes you think your life through, and shows you how to decide one way or the other what you want to do with your life. Puts you in control. Sometimes the answer to a problem is just to take the damn medicine instead of rationalizing this and rationalizing that. I know its harsh, but we're in the big leagues now. And there are folks who will help you if you need it! Take a check up from the neck up... You who are miserable, rise up and make your life better. You can do it! You CAN leave The Way!

Remember the old saying we were taught in twi, it went something like: "lead, follow, or get out of the way?" It's pretty harsh, tough medicine but gets the point across. Stop complaining. No excuses. If ya don't like it, leave. Of course it's difficult and shocking to leave twi! We all went thru it here, right? So why should I expect anything less from those who are miserable there? Well I don't! There are folks who will help you, if you tired of it and want to leave. Come on, be strong, you won't regret it!

David whatever it is please spill the beans, I wanna try it. I'm spending too much money on gas and it ain't getting any cheaper.

You're welcome Sharon! I prefer to keep all that on mine.

Hi Sharon, It's quite simple once you get the knack for it. Here are the steps: 1) -- go to www.smileycentral.com and click the blue circle to get free smileys. It will then create a smiley icon on your browser bar that will give you access to all the smileys. 2) -- when the smiley icon is on your browser bar, click it and as you see there will be multiple categories of smileys to choose from. Choose one, then right click on it and choose "copy smiley HTML" 3) -- next, go back on GS Cafe and when you're ready to reply to a post, click reply, then you will see a bar at the top and one of the choices will be "Display Image UBB-CODE". 4) -- Click that and you will see a box there to paste your image URL from smiley central. 5) -- click ok, then when the url is displayed, just take out the two [/url]

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Oh Chas, ya didn't have to.

Why thank you, Sharon!

Hey that sounds pretty good. Can't complain about that.So why are the miserable folks staying in twi? Just my two cents worth, but I think they should be honest with themselves and with their spouses or whoever, and just leave. "To Thine Own Self Be True"