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Digger, Any more info. about your 28 yr. model gf? God bless ya. :)-->

Yes, Amarillo Texas, Yes. :)-->

Ahhh, the great Sunesis makes an appearance sharing her spiritually perceptive quarterly Insult.This one is almost as good as the one about E.W. Kenyon. Ya remember that one, Sunesis? He was a spiritualist? I mean, look at all those times he says to use the name of Jesus in The Wonderful Name of Jesus. Real Creepy Guy. I think my CAT has more spiritual perception. I still love ya. :D-->

Raffy, I think you may be treading on False Accusation territory. What is your definition of "whitewashing sins"?? -->

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Yeah, I don't think my God preoccupies Himself with the 30-year-old sins of Victor Paul Wierwille... Does Yours?

At this time, I think it's important to mention that unbeknownst to me, my computer has been cleaned of all my "smileys" and I need to post without them until further notice.

Aww Skyrider, please don't mince words, why not tell us what you REALLY think?Um, you have something against Harleys? ;)-->

Friend Belle, if you think that the folks are sick who do not preoccupy themselves with the sins of Wierwille, then I suppose there are many many sick folks in the world. ;)-->

The only thing that's tainted is a "holy" image of Victor Paul Wierwille that we probably never should have had in the first place.Good. So what? Does that contradict? Oh well.

You and I were deceived about Wierwille's character, but in the totality of things, so what?I didn't get involved with twi because of Wierwille's character, although I do strongly wish now that his character were more biblical with much less baggage. ;)-->

Oenophile, thanks, it is coming along great. I get what you mean, but perhaps it was a good thing for some of us that we didn't know. I've been saying for some time, that folks were turn off the Word because of Wierwille's sins and sins of people. It's a biblical truth that stumblingblocks happen, and it just makes sense and here's more evidence.In the final analysis, guess it all comes down to whether one believes twi taught the truth or not, in its original form or not. I still think in many areas it did communicate truth, notwithstanding lifting the information from other sources. I'm still glad it was communicated to me, and have a great appreciation of the original sources as well. I think God was working to help people there, despite the secret sins we didn't know about. I think God doesn't stop moving because of people's sins. :)-->

WhiteDove, wouldn't it have been great had Craig invited B.G. Leonard to speak to all of us, welcomed him as a brother in Christ, and told us that he was instrumental in VP's research?Just a little more love, wisdom and respect here and there, and poof, things may have been so different. Ahh, wishful thinking I guess. ;)-->

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Thanks so much Ted, I love your music! :)-->

Penta Water. Taste great -- less filling

YES Gifts of the Spirit-LeonardKenyon -- The Blood Covenant, The Wonderful Name of Jesus, Jesus the Healer, to name a few. YES.Also Numbers in Scripture, Witness of the Stars, Figures of Speech.

Go to now, Mr. Hammeroni.Don't ya think that lots of folks who enjoy Wierwille's books might go out and buy the works of Stiles, Kenyon, Bullinger, Leonard, et al.? See it in the "original"? Heck I would.

Friend Belle, being taught the Word like it hadn't been known since the first century, and saying that VPW was the SOLE SOURCE of accuracy, are two very different things. Obviously, he wasn't the sole source. I think you are drawing conclusions that you shouldn't.As far as what LCM stated in your time, most of us who are out know full well that LCM stated many harmful and vicious and erroneous things that none of us who are gone support.

Sorry Belle, I disagree.VPW learned from men of God scattered across the continent. We were told that early on. So how in the world could you or others seriously make a claim that VPW was the sole source of accurate knowledge and other Christians don't know much of anything?

Lindy, to honestly answer your question, I wouldn't have changed. I was thrilled to learn the Word of God that finally made some sense to me, and had I learned that these teachings really came from other men, I wouldn't have cared. (Actually I did know that a lot of the stuff came from other men already back then.) What was important to ME, was that it was the Word the Word the Word. I didn't care where Wierwille got it.Had B.G. Leonard taken me aside 30 years ago and said "Wierwille stole from me", I might have encouraged him to take a chill pill and be thankful that the Word of God is being taught to so many folks and he was a part of that and to thank God we all knew the truth and teaching a lot of the same things.

Um, no Wordwolf, it doesn't bother me.I suppose I have enough things going on in my life today that VPW's plagiarisms of 30 years ago are of no relevance to me at all.

Belle, that's pretty easy to explain. If God taught VPW the Word like it hadn't been known since the first century church, it could be in the available ways for VPW to learn. i.e., thru other people.Had VPW given proper written acknowledgement to other mens ideas in his books, would that act have negated his claim? I trow not. Well, there is conflicting information about this. I don't have all the answers to this. VPW could have done a lot of the research on his own, which could have been the same research someone else did, years before. That's not impossible to imagine. Then again, we do have evidence of all the men of God he learned from who were scattered across the continent. No question he learned from these men.Also, we learned in 1972 that lots of VPW's stuff was not original, as was stated in "The Way Living in Love". Somehow it seems other folks didn't realize that he got lots of his stuff from other men, but I got that idea early on and it really doesn't surprise me that he got ooodles of stuff from other men. But then Wierwille said "putting it all together so that it fit -- that was the original work." And so he's correct there. Far as I can tell, he didn't steal TWI from anyone. He founded it, put it together and made it work in his time. All this doesn't mean he didn't plagiarize, I understand that. What I'm saying is, even had he given proper written acknowledgement, it wouldn't have changed my direction or commitment. Would anyone who believed PFAL and realized much profit in it, have questioned its accuracy or profitability had they known it really came from Bullinger or Leonard or other men? I trow not. Would they have left twi and followed other ministries? Maybe, but I doubt it would have mattered to most.