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Yes, with limits. What I recollect is that it's "available" for believers to operate them, contingent on God's will at the time. Remember when VPW said "I reached up in daddy's cookie jar"? Sometimes a cookie was there, sometimes not. Another way to put it is, we have the inherent power, and God works as you act. But what if God doesn't want or need to do it at the time? Then it won't work. There's obviously other things at play that we might not know about, which is what I think Mike wants to explore in this thread.
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And at that time then God's full power will be manifest? (following along with your concept) ?
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Mike, so far I think what you said is possible but awaiting those additional scriptures you spoke about. Interesting.
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He didn't say we were supposed to tithe, in fact he specifically said that was one of TWI's inconsistencies i.e. he noted that TWI taught the old testament was not written "to" us but epistles only are "to" us therefore how can TWI teach we must obey it? Good point.
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Thanks for posting, it was good. I liked his handling of "tithing and abundant sharing" emphasizing we give out of love and gratefulness and not out of fear. I liked how he mentioned the time between Christ's ascension and the Council of Nicea, and the sources teaching that Jesus is God during that period. The biggest impact for me was when he said "they never experienced born again supernatural life change." Of course that's not true, how would he know? On the other hand, for those folks who didn't give up their pot and booze, it may be an eye opener. Does that mean we really aren't saved if we didn't see changes like that? Otherwise, I thought it was accurate.
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Your mention of Hebrews 10 encouraged me to read it, and boy, does it pack a wallop. Specifically, verse 26 talks about abandoning the once-held faith. I believe this is what Catholics mean when they talk about the "unforgivable sin" and I have heard it said by more than one Catholic that this is what they believe the unforgivable sin really is. I don't remember TWI ever suggesting this theme. Below is a short commentary on the verse (and it's scary): [26] "If we sin willfully": He speaks of the sin of willful apostasy from the known truth; after which, as we can not be baptized again, we can not expect to have that abundant remission of sins, which Christ purchased by his death, applied to our souls in that ample manner as it is in baptism: but we have rather all manner of reason to look for a dreadful judgment; the more because apostates from the known truth, seldom or never have the grace to return to it.
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I was assuming we're going by what the scriptures say about it. If not, how are you defining it?
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Reading Hebrews 11 again without TWI glasses on is pretty eye-opening, i.e. that having faith doesn't always bring results. Just look at all those who had faith and never saw results ... so obviously, there can be other forces at work simultaneously.
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On God-Breathed Scriptures
oldiesman replied to Raf's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
It's been debunked by other sources, but again, good "stuff" for another thread. -
I believe TWI got the tithing doctrine completely wrong, so I wouldn't spend time getting headaches over it. The key to prosperity is not tithing, it's a bunch of other things including WORK. I did research on this topic and addressed it with them personally, and the answer was "we should tithe to the ministry that represents God." And we know they meant TWI, but, they couldn't answer definitively if it worked inside another religious group, but if it did, it was less effective. And it didn't work for me, so as greasespotters say, it was a bunch of "bull shonta" from the "Bull dangta" text.
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On God-Breathed Scriptures
oldiesman replied to Raf's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
OldSkool, I watched the video a while back... it is VERY interesting but I don't think it's entirely accurate. We must view other sources and takes on it. But it's good "stuff" for another thread. Thanks. -
On God-Breathed Scriptures
oldiesman replied to Raf's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
Agreed. -
On God-Breathed Scriptures
oldiesman replied to Raf's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
Yes, agreed. I don't know how to prove it other than believing faith and seeing those results (if/when) they came, and the results are the proof. If there are no results, there is no proof. Now that is faith. Also, we have no proof of the hereafter... but that is Hope. -
11 So shall my word be, which shall go forth from my mouth: it shall not return to me void, but it shall do whatsoever I please, and shall prosper in the things for which I sent it.
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I would try to answer this hypothetical and say it's "unaffected" but I think it'd be more so up to the believing faith of the person preaching and the believing faith of the person receiving. Does the theft just before twig make the words of the preacher void to Almighty God? The scriptures say it does not.
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Folks like us who have taken PFAL and are aware of the past teachings; some of us have been using and believing some of them for years, some have abandoned them, but for those like me who still believe parts; are supposed to reject them because of Wierwille's sins?
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I think at times he did, but, I believe the Lord works with regardless. 11 So shall my word be, which shall go forth from my mouth: it shall not return to me void, but it shall do whatsoever I please, and shall prosper in the things for which I sent it. This reminds me of what someone told me about a priest holding mass right after he rapes an alter boy in the back room. She said the priest's crime doesn't stop Jesus from moving for his people. She said that Jesus the Lord is still there and comes in the Eucharist regardless of the sins of the priest, because he loves us and appears for our benefit. And he will deal with the priest at the judgment just like he will deal with you and me, and Victor Paul Wierwille. This follows what I've been saying repeatedly in the Greasespot, that the teachings of the Way or any other bible group should stand or fall on their own irrespective of the sins of the preacher.
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What I think I'm saying is that in the beginning the heavens were created as unlimited and accommodates an ever-expanding universe?
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I believe it must be. It started with "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Let's assume that the universe is more than a bubble but expanding indefinitely; then it's expanding in an already-existing heaven or heavens. I can't imagine... I think it's too big for human comprehension and when I focus on how big it all must be it gives me a headache.
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Heaven must be a whole lot bigger than we can possibly comprehend especially if the universe continues to expand indefinitely as some believe.
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Not sure if you meant your question to be rhetorical but I will try to give a short answer. The U.S. govt is set up that courts interpret the Constitution... state courts and federal courts and ultimately, the Supreme Court. It's the way the founders set the govt up and any other interpretation under our form of govt isn't considered valid and from my experience law enforcement agrees with that. Biblically, the Catholic Church is the oldest known guardian and interpretation of scriptures. Below is a pretty good link on the topic: makes logical sense to me: let me know what you think Bible can only be understood with the Church, Pope tells scholars | Catholic News Agency
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So you were once labeled M&A and they sent it out to you anyway. Yes surprising.
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Got one in yesterday's mail:
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I would agree with that as long as one confesses their sin first. I believe the RC church has the best process to confess sin, which is to confess to a priest which I've experienced to be very therapeutic and almost like hearing a "word of prophesy" to you from the Holy Spirit by way of the priest.
