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I think it may have been Garth (may he R.I.P.) who gave account of personal involvement in the cancelled visit to his area. I'm not certain, but that seems to be what I recall.

Lies often fall apart due to discrepancies in details.

Posted April 29, 2020 by WordWolf Every now and again, someone still claims that pfal and twi were special. Their reason for this is the claim that vpw was special. Their reason for this is the 1942 promise. vpw claimed he received a promise from God Almighty in 1942, and he used this claim to justify thinking of "his" books and classes to akin to the Bible itself. The supposition that pfal was of significant long-term benefit hangs primarily on the alleged "1942 promise." That promise, as stated by vpw, was that God spoke audibly to vpw, and promised that God Almighty would teach vpw God's Word ;like it hadn't been known since the first century (AD) if vpw would teach it to others. vpw supposedly asked God to confirm this by a miraculous snowstorm. Word Wolf posted this on April 29, 2020 All right, how many ways can we show this 1942 promise failed? We've done it lots of times before, this is mostly compilation. A) The miraculous snowstorm never happened. There was NO report of actual snow anywhere near where this allegedly happened. When it supposedly happened, he didn't even tell his own wife it happened. Come on, that would have been the first words out of any spouse's mouth that evening. ("Honey, you'll never believe what happened to me today...") He never claimed it until decades later. He couldn't keep the details of the miraculous event straight, even. When he first began making this claim, he said the sky looked BLACK with all the heavy snow. This, BTW, isn't what it looks like for even the heaviest snow. Later-probably because he learned that doesn't happen- he switched to saying the sky was WHITE with snow. I'm sure details can get lost over time, but if a miraculous event that turns the sky all one color, you'd at least remember the color. Finally, this wasn't the only time vpw claimed a miraculous snowstorm. In fact, he did it whenever it was convenient. When he added special significance to the minister's conference where he met Stiles, vpw claimed that the entire city was snowed in completely. He was unable to get out because planes, trains and buses were all stopped due to heavy snow conditions, a blizzard. This was a rather big lie, and one that was checkable. When someone spoke to him about it, he didn't say "I was there and saw the snow and walked in it, check again", he immediately switched his story to prevent trying to contradict the weather report. He immediately began claiming the snow was an angelic apparition- angels made him see snow that wasn't there, and when he phoned transit places, angels answered the phone and lied to him. (He would rather have us think angels lied than that he lied.) In reality, not even a single FLAKE fell from the sky in that city that day, and the temperature didn't reach freezing. This wasn't the last time vpw made up a convenient snowstorm, even. A poster here once noted that vpw was supposed to visit their area. Instead, he phoned and said that he WANTED to fly there, but he was located at a bad snowstorm and he was told it was unsafe. The poster checked the weather in vpw's area at the time, and there was neither snow nor storms predicted. So, the entire snow part was a lie. Without that, there's no 1942 promise. However, even if it was possible for there to have been a snowstorm (it's not possible), the other problems with his story would be enough to discredit it. There WAS no 1942 promise. vpw was NEVER some great one. pfal was NEVER some great class nor great study materials. It was all built up as a con-and not the most secure con, either. It needed lots of outside help to prop it up.

If the story did not originate with him, he certainly had ample opportunity to refute it.

If I remember correctly, there is another snowstorm story where the sky is described as being pitch black. I think that one involves flights in and out of an airport (Tulsa, maybe?) being cancelled.

"OK, we'll take you back, if that's what you want, but you'll need you to drop down, parallel with the floor, and give me 50." NEEDS AND WANTS PARALLEL.

I remember the days of Fig Pep and familia. Not all memories are equal.

In my early, zealous days of Way involvement, I tried to pitch the idea of putting PFAL materials in public libraries. Yeah, that went over like a fart in church choir.

Threatening to terminate the Corps was a hollow, phony threat used to elicit loyalty. The same exact tactic was used in FellowLaborers. (I was there.) Terminating the WoW program, on the other hand, would have been a monumentally stupid business decision. I mean, why on earth would you ever terminate an entire salesforce that was working without salary or commission?

You completely missed the point, Mike. Or, was that done intentionally to shift the blame?

Blame the Corps! It's all the Corp's fault! Well, here's a news flash. The Corps didn't invent itself. It was the creation of one Victor Paul Wierwille. It was his brainchild. Without him, it would have simply never existed.

It doesn't really matter what word you use, whether it be parallel, balanced, synchronized, aligned or whatever. The essence of the problem is that it's a flawed, erroneous concept. It also doesn't matter that we can never know what was or wasn't in Wierwille's heart. What we do know is that his atrocious behavior and promotion of an aberrant doctrinal brought about immeasurable damage to thousands of trusting individuals. Lives were damaged, some beyond repair. Some met an even worse, permanent fate and will never get a second chance. This is not a game. It's a chance to either set the record straight or be complicit in the furtherance of a travesty.

By their fruit you shall know them.

Where might one find this? (Not counting any feigned humility.) It's not merely what was taught in PFAL. It's also (maybe even more so) the twisted behavior it caused us to incorporate into our lifestyles.

Agreed. I would tweak that last statement, though, to note that his personal behavior functioned as instruction by example and, thus, encouraged others to indulge in harmful behavior as well..

Same old load of horse spit I had to listen to, all the way back in 1975, when I voiced concern over the direction of the FellowLaborer program. Substitute the name of any infamous villain from the past (Dahmer, Gacy, Manson, Stalin...) and try to justify their actions using the same line of reasoning. Wierwille wasn't "one of the good guys". It's really just that simple.

Payne Stewart comes to mind.

One would think a golf aficionado, such as yourself, would be keen to recognize argyle.

They were argyle. Weren't you paying attention?

You can go all the way back to the very early days of GSC (20 years ago) and see people discussing this exact error. But, hey, I guess some people just weren't paying attention.

What makes you think this obvious discrepancy hasn't been discussed already, ad infinitum?

Was his body language in the collaterals? Incidentally, as you probably already know, he wasn't really a Dr.

I'm not going to do that. You made the claim. Now back it up.

Are you telling me not even you, yourself, used this when you were witnessing or running a twig? as if there was something radically different about the way you witnessed or ran a twig that set you apart from the thousands of other believers that were doing just that?

Now you're just making stuff up. If he was truly God's spokesperson, as you have asserted, there would not have been room for such misunderstandings Well, MY hunch is that you just made this claim up to suit your agenda.