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Well, maybe someday, some guy will come forward with a revelation that will shock us, once again. Then somebody else will probably step in and say something like, 'Oh, he was just showing them what to expect on the colon cleanse. And think of all the good that was wrought by 'the cleanse'."

I know there are documented cases of it at lower levels---even prison sentences---but I meant with the inner circle, top dog guys.

Makes you wonder if that, too, took place----I mean at the leadership level---know what I mean? I mean, how many years did it go on in the RC organization before it came to light?

"Wierwille is still up their rear." followed quickly by this: :(

Here's a question for you, John. Did VPW ever rape you? (Not talking about spiritually. I mean sexually.) Would it change your perspective if he had?

Put theology on the side bar for a moment and consider this logically. Why would God, who is supposed to represent all that is good, use lying, stealing and trickery to reveal a message of such supposed importance? For that matter, why would God choose a spokesman who antithesized the message he promoted? Well, I suppose someone will allude to Paul's past deeds at this juncture. Paul, however, whether real or not, represents a man who had an epiphany that inspired him to transform his behavior.

You don't have to put on the red light.

There is, indeed, a chat room.

God choosing Wierwille as his spokesman. That's a little bit like hiring Jeffrey Dahmer to do a "What's For Dinner?" commercial.

----Robert "Zimmie" Zimmerman

John These questions are all completely irrelevant to the subject being discussed so there is no point in discussing them at the moment. The simple fact being stressed here is that VPW took John 10:10 out of context, misinterpreted it and misrepresented its meaning for the furtherance of his own agendas, which were dishonest, at best. You say you have been reading GSC for 10 years. And you still don't underatand the seriousness of plagiarism? Regarding the exposition of organized religion: TWI, itself, was/is an organized religion. Have you not figured that out yet?

Suppose you were to find out that what we called "speaking in tongues" was really glossolalia, something that has been practiced by Christians and non_Christians alike for thousands of years....even pre-dating the time of Christ. Maybe all those so-called benefits of S.I.T. are really for something they were doing in the first century that is not the same as glossolalia. Then what? Suppose speaking in tongues really IS perfect prayer..... but what you've been doing isn't really "speaking in tongues" ? Then what?

So.... You justify the shenanigans by saying it led to your ability to speak in tongues. Suppose you were to find out that everything you learned about speaking in tongues was wrong. Then what do you have? ...besides a hollow feeling in the pit of your stomach.

You are sooooo close. It's actually titled Without You and was recorded by Harry Nilsson. The artist is not required on this thread....and since the idea is to provide something easily remembered, which you did, even though you had the title wrong----You are up!

Please forgive my bluntness. That's an absolute crock. No one is trying to tell you God's power is a scam. Don't even bother to put it on the back-burner; just take that mess off the stove completely. Are you seriously telling me that you are not bothered, knowing women were raped, people committed suicide, people died for lack of appropriate medical care, babies were aborted, families were torn apart because of The Way? The intellectual property of people like Stiles, Bullinger, Leonard and others was stolen and used to promote a blatant lie (that it hadn't been known for 2,000 years)? No problem. Just as long as you, John, can speak in tongues. Who cares how it was marketed? Hey! Who cares how crack cocaine is marketed? It makes people happy.

No, I can't forget this evening or your face as you were leaving but I guess that's just the way the story goes.

------The Coasters

John First No one here suggested that God wants people to be poor or sick-----that's a moot point. Second Whether you realize it or not, The Way was organized as a multi-level-marketing entity. Money, as a general rule, only traveled in one direction-----to HQ. This may help explain why they are currently sitting on assets worth approximstely 55 million dollars.

Wierwille, on more than one occasion, in addressing small Corps groups,stated that he fondled his teenaged daughter, in a sexual manner, to teach her about sexuality. (I'm being purposefully vague about what he specifically described.) There are posters here, on Greasespot, who were personally present. I don't know if he actually did what he claimed. What I do know is that he made the claims.

Here again we see the carrot on a stick. It was used to coerce people into abundantly sharing money and volunteering their labors. In reality, it isn't much different than "buying favors from God", is it? edit: I seem to remember hearing the story of the woman who lost the coin being used as a vehicle for this one, as well.

Yes, it was frequently taught in twigs and branches that "least" meant material things and "much" meant spiritual things. It was used in a number of ways. One way was that if you weren't faithful enough to ABS (least) you couldn't be counted on to be faithful with spiritual (much) things. Another way it was used was to say that if you didn't pay attention to minute details (material things),such as when setting up a class, God would not entrust you with revelation (spiritual things).

Was it Toppie?