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This is my favorite line: Lost in losing circumstances, that's just where you are.

I remember singing the old hymn, Amazing Grace, when I was in The Way. Here is the first stanza. I have done a strike-through to reflect one of the changes Wierwille made to the lyrics. It's only one word. Yet, I think it accurately reflects the essence of how Wierwille perverted the intended message. Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound, That saved a wretch someone like me. I once was lost but now am found, Was blind, but now I see.

Circular Reasoning Bill: "God must exist." Jill: "How do you know." Bill: "Because the Bible says so." Jill: "Why should I believe the Bible?" Bill: "Because the Bible was written by God."

Indeed. It spirals downward until, finally, a loud Whoooooshing sound is heard

Something evil that some STILL call good: VP Wierwille.

BTW, johniam, I find it amusing you should quote that particular line from Yours Is No Disgrace out of context. Here are the the words in their entirety: Yesterday a morning came, a smile upon your face. Caesar's palace, morning glory, silly human race, On a sailing ship to nowhere, leaving any place, If the summer changed to winter, yours is no disgrace. Battleships confide in me and tell me where you are, Shining, flying, purple wolfhound, show me where you are, Lost in summer, born in winter, travel very far, Lost in losing circumstances, that's just where you are. Yesterday a morning came, a smile upon your face. Caesar's palace, morning glory, silly human race, On a sailing ship to nowhere, leaving any place, If the summer changed to winter, yours is no, Yours is no disgrace. Yours is no disgrace. Yours is no disgrace. Death defying, mutilated armies scatter the earth, Crawling out of dirty holes, their morals, their morals disappear. Yesterday a morning came, a smile upon your face. Caesar's palace, morning glory, silly human race, On a sailing ship to nowhere, leaving any place, If the summer changed to winter, yours is no, Yours is no disgrace. Yours is no disgrace. Yours is no disgrace.

A safe harbor for whom? The women who were raped? The people who committed suicide? The people who turned to substance abuse? The families that were torn apart? The kids who suffered abuse at the hands of misguided caregivers? The people who died trying to prove some bogus "magic law" was real? VP (You know he wasn't really a Dr., don't you?) Wierwille was no man of God. He was a callous con-man, out to satisfy his own perverted appetite. He didn't give a rat's rear end who got hurt in the process..... not you, not me, not even his own wife and children. "He was a mean man."-----Mrs. W.

"We were NOT brainwashed; we believed something that made logical sense to us." BRAINWASHING

Lots of people thought John Wayne Gacy was a "good man". So, what drives people to defend VPW, even exalt him? I can understand this sort of thing from people who are unaware of what happened. But, what about people who are aware of the sort of monster that was actually hiding behind the mask? What drives them to deny the truth?

Is there anything in THIS thread that sheds some light on it?

It looks like there is some sort of temporary problem with the server. I tried to get in the back door at exway vision but that acess is not functioning either.

Yes, it was called a "spirit of error". The scriptures referenced for this one are: I John 4:6, Matt. 24:24, Rev. 12:9, II John 7. Apparently Wierwille was not aware that there are people with poor physical co-ordination and/or poor eyesight. On that same page, it also says that no one can commit murder unless they have a "spirit of murder" and that these are deeply seated spirits. Strangely, no one seemed to pick up on these using their "discerning of spirits". But, then, no one seemed to pick up on the other "spirits" VPW would had to have had, either. I count no less than eight. These would include Spirit of Obsession (can't control temper), Sadistic spirit (sexual maniac), Deceiving spirit (self explanatory), Spirit of Python (poisons others minds), Masochistic spirit (enjoys inflicting hurt), Ego spirit (self explanatory), Spirit of Leviathan (alcoholic/substance abuse) and, of course, Spirit of Cancer....from page 20 of AC Silly-bus.

And, lest it should go unmentioned, Wierwille taught, in The Advanced Class, that suicide is caused by a "suicidal spirit". He also taught that there is a "spirit of death" that hangs around a person who is about to die. Now, the real clincher to this whole thing is that he taught those things within the context of a class that was supposed to be teaching us how to recognize various spirits and deal with them appropriately. Please tell me I'm not the only one that sees the bitter irony in this.

That's a subset of Bait & Switch, called Date & Switch. Bait...Spend two years in a Fellow Laborer "commune" and then return to your hometown, as a more fully equipped servant of God's people. Switch...Spend two years getting your butt chewed out for having sub-standard believing and then finding out your hometown no longer needs your services. BONUS...Learning to make your own mayonnaise and mung bean sprouts.

No, John, I believe your analogy is flawed. You, yourself, in this very thread, have spoken in derogatory terms regarding higher education and mental health professionals. Shall I cut and paste those statements for you? Yet, you do an about face and try to use their esteem to bolster your position. Can't have your cake and eat it, too, I'm afraid. This was a common ploy of Dr. (You know he wasn't really a Dr., don't you?) Wierwille. There are multiple examples of this very thing in PLAF (The Wonder Class).

"That's interesting. Just hours ago I was told by several degreed educational professionals that my wife and I are committed, involved parents whom they really appreciate working with, as well as our 3 kids. These people have known us for over 10 years." Have you told these people yet what a low opinion you have of higher education and the mental health professions?

The Mann Act is named after Congressman James Robert Mann.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2uGxHoYH3Y

Sorry, I should have been a bit clearer. I was specifically referring to ones who have died as a result of TWI involvement.

I've lost a few friends who are missing from the list, as well. But, then, I suppose quite a few of us are in that category.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJcuETig9kE

Hahaha! Yeah, I agree. I was just trying to keep it within the framework of how he, himself, defined "marriage". Soooooo.... The MOG was a DOM....I likes it!

I wanna come back as an aardvark.

Well you know, "any two believers can make a marriage work." I mean, really, just look at what a wonderful, monogamous, loving example VPW and Dottsie were. (Ouch!, I think I just bit my tongue.)

Yeah, I forgot to mention the indisputable "evidence" of Lo shonta bonta bo bonta bananna fanna fo fanta."