waysider

Fear is sand in the machinery of life-----E.S. Jones

Some Valentine for the ladies.

Wow! Some great thoughts there. Myself? Well, though I freely admit that "date and switch" got me into the class, I think a lot of the things you mentioned are dead on for me, as well.

Our young friends at S.O.W.E.R.S have their very own L.E.A.D. program. http://sowersonline.com/LEAD.aspx Maybe it's time for them to "see it in the original"

Geeze, Geisha! You sure know how to put a damper on that whole martyr role VPW laid on us.

*It reminds me of when Paul and Barnabas were travelling together after God called them to a specific work. They were out traveling as “WOW Ambassadors.” They rode into one city after another teaching the greatness of God’s Word until they were chased out of each city. Finally, by the third city, just when many were beginning to believe, the unbelievers from the previous two cities came to town and convinced the people to stone Paul…and they did. After they dragged him out of the city “supposing he had been dead,” the disciples stood around him and he got up and went back into the city. The next day Paul and Barnabas went to one more city and taught the Word to many, and then they did the craziest thing. They turned right around and headed straight back into those cities where they had just taught the Word and where their names were on all the “Most Wanted: Dead or Alive” posters. They went right back in to where they had just barely escaped the danger with their lives, and they had not escaped scratch free. Why did they go back into the danger zone? In Acts 14:22 it says they went “confirming the souls of the disciples.” They went back in order to reestablish and strengthen those new believers who had just heard the Word for the first time and saw Paul and Barnabas get chased out of town or get stoned. They went back because of their love for the believers. It is written, “Perfect love casts out fear” (I John 4:18)* *From previously listed link Am I mistaken or is this being directly quoted from VPW? (No attribution is given in the link.)

------Status QuoFREE POST!!

I think Wierwille's "ministry" may have been more along the lines of one.

Yeah, maybe you could have a casual discussion with him about this editorial: http://www.greasespotcafe.com/main2/editorial/editorial-items/driven-to-suicide.html Or maybe this one: http://www.greasespotcafe.com/main2/editorial/page_2.html

I thought it was the hook shot. I guess I should have paid closer attention.

No one else can say it quite like "The T-Man". That's a good thing, yes?

Here we go again. CLICK

VPW listed his state of residence as Ohio. HERE is the Ohio law as it pertains to sex crimes. (He wasn't just another second rate con-man, he was a criminal.)

Straight out of the PFAL class. Do you ever actually think for yourself, John, or do you simply fall back on VP's pat answers without considering whether they're true or not?

Have you ever been raped, John? How about your wife? Your mother? Your sister? Think that's irrelevent or off the table? I don't think so. It comes as no surprise to me that your pals aren't fond of GSC. Who really wants to admit to themself they were once part of such a vile organization?

"VP....preached a gospel that excused sin, his sin. Yet, if you ate a cookie during a colon cleanse...you deserved to die. That is just downright evil." ------------------------------------ May I point out----? For those who may think this is an exaggeration.....it's not! What Geisha is referring to is a specific event that happened in the Way Corps. (1974 or 1975) I'm not good at searches but here is the gist of it. Gary D. left HQ grounds during a period when the Corps was on the cleanse. (To get a snack in town) He was the passenger in a car driven by another Corps member, John N. They were in a horrible car wreck and Gary died as a result. Wierwille called the driver, to his face, a murderer for cheating on the cleanse. Then, he told the rest of the Corps that if they had cheated on the cleanse, as well, they were guilty of murder, too. What kind of sick, heartless bastard uses a time of grief and mourning to promote his own twisted agenda? Not one with a "ministry from God", I dare say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvpa3Og7qRg&feature=related

Yes, it's good to remember we should always look on the bright side of life.

I wonder if there are still people out there who think Jim Jones was simply a misunderstood soul on a noble quest.

Wierdwilly made a big deal, in PFAL, about how "A prophet is not without honor, save in his own country". Same thing, really. Wierwille, using scripture, along with his backdoor approach, to imply that he, himself, was a prophet. "Oh, poor me. Nobody gives me the respect I should be getting. Boo Hoo." ----He was no prophet. He was a drunken sexual predator whose life was driven by his insatiable thirst for selfish pleasures. He was a rapist. I don't use that term cavalierly. He used his position of authority to take sexual advantage of trusting followers. That makes him a rapist, the same way it does for a professor, a priest, a therapist, a doctor or anyone else in a position of authority. Whether any of these other guys were guilty of similar actions is a moot point because it's mr. wierwille's deceptive practices that are on the examination table at the moment..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sVUvpdT-NY

It's all about the CHA CHING!

Unless you, yourself, have been a victim of rape, John, I must say, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Jim D. is not the subject of this thread. Please stop trying to redirect the focus.