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I have no way of knowing what he really thought or believed. All I can do is make a comparison to how this fits with what he taught. In that regard, it fits perfectly because he taught that spirit (the Godly variety) was placed "on" select individuals in the O.T. as a temporary measure rather than "in" them as a permanent arrangement (Christ "in" you/seed/ new birth/gift of holy spirit of the N.T.) So, by Wierwille's reasoning, it was simply a matter of one or the other inhabiting David at any given point in time. I still don't buy it but I hope that explains what we were taught.

Personally, I think the Advanced Class was a load of horse crap. But, for the sake of establishing a point of reference, here is some background on what was presented in the class. Page 19 ( ©1971) (a) Natural man of just body and soul would not murder. (b) Spiritual man of body, soul and spirit would not murder. (c ) Thus, one in whom a spirit of murder dwells is the only one who would murder. First, for any non-PFAL grad reading this, it's important to understand that Wierwille taught a concept called "The Threefold Nature of Man". According to this concept, when one is born, they have body (physical presence), soul (breath life), but no spirit. Further, wierwille taught that man became a threefold being when he became born-again and received the gift of holy spirit. Thus he was now body, soul AND spirit. Can anyone else see the statistical problems this would create with items (a) and (c )? In addition, Wierwille taught that a "spirit of murder" is a devil spirit that is very selective about whom it will inhabit, searching tirelessly for the ideal condition to present itself. Now, on the very same syllabus page, directly preceeding this section is this contradictory quote. (2) "A born-again believer may become afflicted with evil spirits. [Wierwille undoubtedly "borrowed" this section because it was completely out of character for him to use ANY term other than "devil spirit"] The spirits may affect or possess mind and/or body, but not the spirit." It all sounds so heavy and esoteric. It's really just a lot of mumbo-jumbo being presented by a man who had no formal training in how the mind works. In other words-----useless.

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It's my opinion this should stay in About The Way, not because of the subject matter, but, because the discussion, itself, demonstrates the concept of "us vs. them", "believer vs. unbeliever", "devil spirit instigated" mindset that The Way promoted. Example "I think I am basically asking this question about non- believers whether or not if you think they have any good left in their hearts or not. I think that is probably why these people commit the act of murder anyway because they are not of God and can't know how to behave like a person of God. Are their hearts able to recover any ounce of what they were before they committed this act of violence?"

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Believer's capabilities vs. the capabilities of an unbeliever? Went down that road in the Advanced Class. Don't care to go down it again.

HERE is an interesting background regarding Cash's reason for recording that particular song.

You are correct Rock on!

Maybe more like Children of the Corn(fields).

Well, the rain exploded with a mighty crash, as we fell into the sun

The very title is an actual error. It is NOT, in fact, power for abundant living. Unless, of course, the abundant living being addressed is that of one Mr. V. PeePee Wierwille.

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Junior's Farm-------Paul McCartney

Thanks, Mooseman. Them's my homeboys. Fond memories of live performances of that and many other JG classics.

This really connected with me. I was thinking about someone who has been dead for almost 40 years now. But his memories are still fresh in my mind. Maybe that's part of what it means to have life after death.

After I'd been in the word for about a year, I started to ponder these very same discrepancies. Now, of course, you couldn't just discuss these things with any old believer, lest they size you up as spiritually weak. So, I went to my branch leader who told me that the more abundant life is a spiritual concept. I told him this conflicted with what VPP taught in the opening sessions of PLAF (The Wonder Class). His answer to this was that I needed to SIT more, renew my mind, study more and avail myself more freely for service to the ministry. Then, and only then, would I be able to comprehend the depth of the spiritual significance of the more abundant life. And I actually bought that explanation. Shame on me.

Sometimes we're a touchy bunch here, we are, we are. Glad you've decided to join our little party, I am, I am.

It's my understanding that the reason this type of surgery is usually done with the person awake is that there is a risk involving general anesthesia. During the surgery, there is always a possibility that the cranial nerves (3 & 5, I think) might crossfire from the insult. This would cause the heart rate to drop. Now, if the heart rate is already low, due to anesthesia, it could cause stoppage. At least that's the way I think I learned it in physiology class all those years ago.

I usually just tell them to renew their minds and get over it.

Too many more times than I care to admit.

You just don't get as high up in an organization as they did without knowing the true score. Wierwille was a poser from the very inception of his little religious scam.

Brown Shoes Don't Make It Can't explain why. This really is "of the moment".