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Jesus came into this world so we could have lots of stuff. I know because that's what V.P (You know he wasn't really a doctor, don't you?) Wierwille said in Power For Abundant Living. Yeah, it was all about us getting lots of stuff. And I guess Jesus musta had lots of stuff, too, because Wierwille said so on page 4 of PFAL. "This book, Power For Abundant Living, is one way of showing interested people the abundant life which Jesus Christ lived." But then, later on, we were told it wasn't really about stuff, it's spiritual. Except, if you were the big dawg, like V.P. (You know he wasn't really a doctor, don't you?) Wierwille, it really WAS about stuff. Stuff like fancy shmantzy motor scooters and kick azz old cars. Not to mention, a private jet, 2 motor-coaches, a domestic staff, a bevy of concubines, primo property for hunting and fishing, lots of expensive hunting and fishing gear and dogs and enough booze to float the Spanish Armada. But, as far as I know, he only got one glass eye to take the place of the real one the devil spirits stole from him. So, maybe he didn't have such an abundant life after all.

Come to think of it, I don't remember green beans either. Of course, there's nothing especially memorable about green beans anyhow. Your hubby would be the best source of information on the matter that I know of.

I think it's a way of measuring if your posts are too long or too short. + = too long - = too short And baby bear said, "This post is just right."

You've Got To Hide Your Love Away FREE POST!!!

Harry (He wasn't MY uncle!) Wierwille died of cancer. How many people knew this at the time? Why did V.P. (You know he wasn't a REAL "Dr.", don't you?) Wierwille continue to teach that cancer is caused by devil spirits? Then, he, himself, died of cancer, as did his son, Don. Maybe the students at Advanced Class 2010 can discuss this in their focus groups and come up with some answers.

Oh, I dream. I just can't remember what I was dreaming once I wake up.

Not being female, I can't really give first hand testimony. From what I understand, though, Uncle Harry (He wasn't MY uncle!) was quite fond of sticking his tongue down throats and copping a feel whenever the occasion presented itself.

Yeah. I shed a tear 'cause I couldn't be there for all the fun.

Here I stand, head in hand, turn my face to the wall.

Comfortably Numb----The Floydsters

I'm a really, really sound sleeper----sorry

Power For Abundant Living Introduction The Abundant Life Jesus' proclamation as recorded in John 10;10 is the foundational Scripture for this book. ...I am come that they [believers] might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. This verse literally changed my life. My wife and I began in the Christian ministry, plodding ahead with the things of God; but somehow we lacked an abundant life. Then one time I was especially alerted when I read from the Word of God that Jesus said He had come to give us a more abundant life. I was startled into awareness. As I looked about me at communities where I had served and among ministers with whom I had worked, the abundant life was frequently not evident. In contrast to these Christian people, I could see that the secular world of non-Christians were manifesting a more abundant life than were members of the church------- ------------------------------------------------------------------- This begs the question: If the abundant life, which, by the way, is NOT the focal point of this section of scripture, is so darn spiritual, what exactly was it that Wierwille saw "the secular world of non-Christians manifesting"???

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You have to stay "En garde!". Sheesh! Weren't you listening during the DWA class??

I cut the soles out of my shoes, sat in a tree and learned to play the flute.

Wierwille only used the "temporary" thing to explain O.T. events. His take on possession, in modern times, was that, once they're in there, there are only two things that can remove them, casting out in the name of Jesus Christ and/or an abundance of "The Word" in the person's constant thoughts (ie: renewed mind). I guess those old spirits weren't quite as tough in O.T. times. <_<

Now, George. You know perfectly well that this is the reason PFAL was given to Wierwille, via theopneustos.

That's tough one. I played George in a studio excercise many years ago. The guy who played Lennie went on to become a fairly well known actor (amongst his peers) and still successfully practices his craft. Looking back, I think we probably spent as much, if not more, time studying the characters and trying to understand them as we did running lines. That's a good example, soul searcher, of how not everything in life is always as "black and white" as it seems. For those who are unfamiliar with the plot, you can find it HERE.

I have no way of knowing what he really thought or believed. All I can do is make a comparison to how this fits with what he taught. In that regard, it fits perfectly because he taught that spirit (the Godly variety) was placed "on" select individuals in the O.T. as a temporary measure rather than "in" them as a permanent arrangement (Christ "in" you/seed/ new birth/gift of holy spirit of the N.T.) So, by Wierwille's reasoning, it was simply a matter of one or the other inhabiting David at any given point in time. I still don't buy it but I hope that explains what we were taught.

Personally, I think the Advanced Class was a load of horse crap. But, for the sake of establishing a point of reference, here is some background on what was presented in the class. Page 19 ( ©1971) (a) Natural man of just body and soul would not murder. (b) Spiritual man of body, soul and spirit would not murder. (c ) Thus, one in whom a spirit of murder dwells is the only one who would murder. First, for any non-PFAL grad reading this, it's important to understand that Wierwille taught a concept called "The Threefold Nature of Man". According to this concept, when one is born, they have body (physical presence), soul (breath life), but no spirit. Further, wierwille taught that man became a threefold being when he became born-again and received the gift of holy spirit. Thus he was now body, soul AND spirit. Can anyone else see the statistical problems this would create with items (a) and (c )? In addition, Wierwille taught that a "spirit of murder" is a devil spirit that is very selective about whom it will inhabit, searching tirelessly for the ideal condition to present itself. Now, on the very same syllabus page, directly preceeding this section is this contradictory quote. (2) "A born-again believer may become afflicted with evil spirits. [Wierwille undoubtedly "borrowed" this section because it was completely out of character for him to use ANY term other than "devil spirit"] The spirits may affect or possess mind and/or body, but not the spirit." It all sounds so heavy and esoteric. It's really just a lot of mumbo-jumbo being presented by a man who had no formal training in how the mind works. In other words-----useless.

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It's my opinion this should stay in About The Way, not because of the subject matter, but, because the discussion, itself, demonstrates the concept of "us vs. them", "believer vs. unbeliever", "devil spirit instigated" mindset that The Way promoted. Example "I think I am basically asking this question about non- believers whether or not if you think they have any good left in their hearts or not. I think that is probably why these people commit the act of murder anyway because they are not of God and can't know how to behave like a person of God. Are their hearts able to recover any ounce of what they were before they committed this act of violence?"