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Welcome to GSC, hissondavid First one is on the house.

Has anyone ever considered that this section of Acts may have been added by men for the same reason it was used in TWI? CONTROL!!

First click on this link http://www.abouttheway.org/ Then go here and click on "sexual conduct". What does sexual conduct tell us about the degree of integrity and spiritual authority of TWI leadership, past and present? Then go here and click on "marsha". Rumors have circulated for years that V. P. Wierwille was a sexual predator. Marsha tells her story. Then go here and click on "Donna". Donna adds her memories of how Wierwille abused her, too. Then go here and click on "Kristen's Story". Kristen's Story offers her recollections of VP Wierwille's advances toward her. Then go here and click on "Schoenheit's Paper on Adultery". "Schoenheit's Paper on Adultery" - Way leaders once ordered followers to have nothing to do with this Bible research paper. Many Way leaders, including author John Schoenheit (who was on staff with TWI's Research Department at the time), were fired because they had read it. Why was it so disturbing? Get the picture?

Pond If you think this is about "some old guy touching your boobies", you have really, and I do mean REALLY, missed the point. How would you feel if someone, whom your daughter trusted, slipped some GHB into her drink and then had sex with her while she was incapacitated? Do you place that in the same category? For that matter, simply providing a minor with alcohol is a crime in Ohio. The legal drinking age in Ohio is 21. HQ is in Ohio. Wierwille lived in Ohio almost his entire life. Transporting someone across state lines for these sorts of activities is a federal crime. It's covered by The Mann Act. Bullying subordinates into sexual activity is sexual harassment. It's against the law. Using an office of authority for these types of purposes in Simony. It's an egregious breach of professional trust. Not only have many, many people come forth here on GSC to bear testimony, some of them are well known and their names have appeared here. And these are just the sexually oriented debacles that took place. There is much more. Things like threatening people with physical violence while brandishing firearms, plagiarism, misappropriation of funds that were intended for ministry work-----and the list goes on. No, this is hardly about "some old guy touching your boobies 30 years ago".

BUMP

No, that is not what I was referring to.

"no one knows who this person is or the motive they have to gain attention on this forum." Did you even bother to read the thread, Pond? Not everyone who posted did so anonymously. But since you put it that way, do we know who WD is or his motives for gaining attention on this thread?

There was reference made to Wendy Ford. HERE is a link to her book.

Here is one post from the thread that references activity covered by The Mann Act. Transporting a person across state lines for the purpose of debauchery-----(ie: a crime) http://www.fau.edu/~tunick/courses/conlaw/mann.html *************************************** post Jan 5 2004, 10:36 AM Post #343 Wow reading these stories about a drink that VP gave girls kind-of brings back some memories.... When VP invited me into his motorcoach to ride for Emporai to Ohio, I was totally elated. My alarms went way off when he led me to the back bedroom. ( My mother told me that you never go into a man's bedrooom, and you never let a man into you bedrom until you are married). So My alarms went off. VP offered me a drink, I didn't take it. Praise YA. He treid to touch my breasts, I pushed him away SEVERAL times. He told me I was not mature of a woman of God bla bla bla. He let me go back to the thefront of the motorcoach (relife) and the other 7th Corps girl went in there with him and she stayed all night.. EEUU.. I figured taht she ****** him adn I lsot all respect for her. When VP wanted us all corps to write our deep dark sins on paper for him, I thought in my head F******* you you F*****ing ***-hole. You will NEVER know my sins... I knew at that point that he wanted to know everybody's weakness so he could crucify us later..... SO there. Another story from a truth speaking woman about VP and his lewd obnoxious behavior to women. I am sooo glad my alarms went off and I did not drink anything with him!! I remember giving him sivler coins I had diligently collected from Reno casinos, and he said that I should have "listened to God and given him a bottle of Drambuie". I was so crushed when he said that. I worked so hard adn spent alot of time getting all those silver coins for the f****er. After that incident and after him humiliating me in front of the Corps by FALSLEY accusing me of having sex, I NEVER EVER trusted the guy, never wanted to be near him, but put on the happy smiley face etc when I had to, (Corps grad etc). When he was around, even had pictures take with him.... I had to put on the front, because NO ONE would have believed me..... I know that MANY of us girls rebuffed him. But we did not know about each other. We were all so full of fear that we would be digraced and kicked out bla bla bla. Of course we would have turned into a GRSASESPOT by morning!!!!! We really believed it!!!!! Valerie

Long read--------but pertinent. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=164

If you read this thread backwards it says, " I buried (Victor) Paul."

It's My Own Fault

Will Kansas be returning its share? More pointedly, do you think they should?

I'll cut to the chase here. Do you or do you not have any business interests that involve sales of Way materials? I'm not interested in a song and dance routine. Just answer the question.

Pure fabrication ,never stated such what I said was I'm not by the way seeing many here posting. You seem to be claiming guilt exactly how many rapes did you witness? I thought so you read an opinion and decided you like it. Strawman--------I never claimed to have witnessed a rape. Do you have a vested interest in the controversy you incite?

Newlife Same thing happened to me. I was mostly into writing. I was told to choose between music or the ministry. I didn't play or write for my first 2 or three years in TWI. That ability to write never really came back to me. But, what I have found after all these years of being out of TWI is that the creativity is still there. It just looks for other avenues to express itself. Some of them are musical and some are not. If it's in there, it will find its way to the outside. Remember the old John Lee Hooker song? "He's got the boogie in him and it's got to come out!" :lol: A big part of it is to not try to force it. Just let it flow.

Unemployment rates in Northwest Ohio are approaching the 20% level. "The hardest-hit areas are rural counties in southern and northwest Ohio. Williams, Fulton and Henry counties, a cluster of counties in the state’s northwestern-most corner, posted 15 percent unemployment of higher. Huron County suffered the most job losses, with 18.3 percent of its residents filing for unemployment status." Source: http://www.madisonpress.com/local.asp?ID=1604&Story=1

Most of the "Bible Stuff" turned out to be poorly researched and highly flawed. (ie: 4 crucified, the cry of triumph, throughly/thoroughly, SIT-- and on and on.) So what did we really "know" in the first place?

Walking in Memphis

You say no one here was present during the commission of a crime. That assumption is in error. Exposing children to pornography is a crime in Ohio. People have testified that they were personally present when Wierwille did so. Providing alcohol to minors is a crime in Ohio. Same deal. Transporting people across state lines for the purpose of debauchery is a federal crime. People have given first hand testimony. It is against the law to drug a person and then have sex with them. People have given first hand testimony. These are crimes. People here were personally present. All this is moot anyway because Wierwille is dead. The people who you are insinuating to be liars are alive. You are the accuser, not them. As such, it's up to you to prove they are lying. Oh, yes, I know you never directly called them liars. Irrelevant. That's your implication. Now do a little tap dance and sing a song about how you are really a noble freedom fighter protecting the world from injustices. Riiiight. Here's what I would like to know. Are you engaged in any sort of business activity that might experience a revenue decrease (or increase) if Wierwille's true nature was exposed? Oh, wait. That would call for some speculative thinking on your part. Are you engaged in any sort of business that receives revenue from the sale of Way materials?

Make mine a VSOP. Uhmmmm--------You're buying, right?

For me, the crux of the issue is that Wierwille picked up on this scripture and twisted it around to suit his own purpose, putting us into subjection to the organization. He used it to intimidate us.

Apparently the "duck bill grip" lives on----HERE (They seem to have given up on not looking at your guitar, though.)

He had a beer in his hand while he was "teaching" me.