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The Fine Arts and Historical Center was vp's museum of sorts. Things of historical significance concerning vp and the ministry were sent there for safe-keeping and possible display.

Ah, yes, the Way Cultural Center. It was the one in New Bremen, an old church that TWI bought "to preserve the historic importance" of the building...well, that's the excuse they used to weasle the deal thru. They really bought it to house Way Prod. Some basic renovation was done, and a recording studio was built into the rear of the balcony area (two converted class rooms). It had a full kitchen and a good sized room in the basement which was used for rehearsals and an occasional meeting. It was sold off shortly after the WOW auditorium (lcm rename it some lame name I think) was built and Way Prod moved into it. Don't know what ever happened to it after that. That old church sucked for performances, and had lousy acoustics...just a nightmare for performers. edited to correct for failing memory!

The Byrds!! Did someone mention The Byrds?!?!?!?!?! Loved "8 Miles High"!! Oohhhh...you said birds.....the flying kind...........uuhhhh.......................never mind! Loved the story, Jonny. Thanks. :eusa_clap:

Very true, Nottawayfer. TWI screwed up so many things when it comes to God's reality. Until recently I didn't see the depth of the deception...I'm just beginning to. It's mind boggling how perverse and deeply ingrained the errors were. vp was a master of delusion who taught others how to be like him....how to delude ones self.

Way Prod was a fiasco from day one. vp micromanaging it was an understatement. Every song's lyrics had to be editted and approved by him personally. You wouldn't believe (or maybe you would) how he ruined so many great songs. There were some incredibly proficient writers, and writings, that were crushed and castrated by vp's iron hand. He really believed he was THE authority on music and showmanship. In reality, he was a complete boob and embarrassed himself regularly by "running" rehearsals (while sipping Drambuie and sucking down Camel shorties). The level of musicianship was amazing, but he kept it surpressed...except the few he personally prefered (who were, of course, "spiritually" on the ball). Always pointing fingers at performers moving the wrong way, or playing too much, and screaming about how he was wasting his time on out-of-fellowship idiots, and how we wouldn't stand a chance out in the world with talent like that. There was so much fear of vp's "reproof" in Way Prod that it's a wonder that anyone could take the stage at all. Even Saturday Nite Doos were stiff and robotic...at least until he got "loose as a goose" on the booze and didn't pay any attention to the band. OK, I'm done venting for now. Almost forgot, I was in from '73 'till '86.

T-Bone, some questions.....what, exactly are the biblical differentiations between heart, soul and mind? And how do we love with them? Is heart actually what we are calling the conscience? (this stuff is getting deeper by the minute! :mellow: ) This would seem to be a very pivotal issue here. P.S. I've got the neighbor part nailed. :D

:biglaugh: You guys and gals are killin' me!! :biglaugh: How 'bout the one were vp claimed he knew the secret to igniting snow? I heard that from his own slimy lips under the apple tree one day. He said God gave him the revelation about how to set snow on fire, but he had to promise Gawd never to reveal it because the adversary would use it to destroy the earth. This guy was definitely certifiable!! :wacko:

Well, isn't Jesus Christ the mediator between God and man? Sounds like the guy to pray to, to me. He has his Father's ear anytime he wants it, doncha know. Of course, we're now His children, so, actually, we can talk to either one whenever we like...we're a family now.

OK, I'm not a big scripture quoter, but here's the way this simple mind of mine sees this conscience stuff. What is the point of God giving us the Word? To teach us His will? To tell us what He wants us to do? To explain the future, at least in part? To inform us of who our forefathers were and what they accomplished? Yeah, all that...but I think there's more to it. Maybe it's even simpler than that. Could it be that it's His way of healing our senses oriented mind?...of teaching our mind's conscience to work properly?...to think the right kind of thoughts when making decisions in life? With all the crap vp did in twisting the Word to fit his lusts through TWI, and thus causing untold harm and havoc in the church of the Body (at least our small part of it), do I really think God wouldn't have covertly outflanked the evil one, knowing that false prophets and teachers would come along, and thus construct His Word to produce healing by the simple reading of it, despite the errant teachings of wackos? I think so. I think He heals us through our simple belief in what is plainly written...with all it's mistranslated words, translational errors, additions, and what-have-you. The simple belief in what we individually can understand of the Word will heal our minds and make us more and more able to think like Christ thought. Now, throw a bunch of us yahoos together to share with each other what we've learned, causing more personal reading time to check things out, and you've got the Word spreading like crazy. Sure is exciting to me!! I'm still processing a flood of thoughts this thread caused. So, maybe I'm just reiterating what many already know, and I know I'm not being as articulate as I want to be. And I'm not denigrating teaching the Word, just thinking that maybe a pulpit is not the best place for it to happen. Dunno, gotta go process more. My heads spinning right now...whew!!

This thread has been an amazement to me!!!!! I came to GS because I heard from a friend, a couple months ago, that a TWI fellowship had come to town. I was surprised at my reaction....FEAR!!! It actually made me quiver. My hands visibly shook, and I began to sweat!! That reaction alarmed me. What the he!! was that about?!?!?! I was frightened by the mere thought of a twi6 being close by. That really shook me up bad!!! I stewed over it for several days. Then, on a whim, I googled TWI and found GS...been here ever since. I read everything here like a man obsessed...articles, stickies, threads...the works! Some of the posts struck home, others made me angry, and others made me cry, but the more I read, the more I realized I HAD TO deal with this TWI infection in ways I had not imagined. My early posts were aimed squarely at vp, the monster. I had thought I was past that, but I wasn't...I had just buried that, and much more deep inside...and hearing about that fellowship brought it all back to the surface. And the more I remembered, the more crap I found lurking in the corners of my mind...that was the most frightening part! I really believed I had re-examined my belief system sufficiently enough to get my head on straight...well, all I had done was the "feel good" part. I assuaged my pain just enough to get by, but no more. I hadn't addressed the deep seated problems that TWI had instilled in me. Well, for many years after I left TWI I wouldn't even look at a bible, much less engage in any discussion, or thinking, about it. It brought up too many bad feelings and doubts. To make a long story short, about 5 years ago I began reading the bible again. I had never lost my love for God...it was just buried under all the hurt and doubt. I thought I was reconnecting to Him and re-examining my beliefs. And to a certain extent, I was. I had begun making decisions about how I led my life based on what I was reading in the bible...and those changes have become permanent through the years. I had been working on the simple, basic things...the great commandment, being humble, helping others before I helped myself, looking for the good in others, putting God first in my life, looking to Jesus Christ for guidance, praying for others to prosper while asking only for my needs, etc., etc. In His usual, subtle way, God was, little by little, guiding me back towards Him. So, what does this rambling have to do with this thread? Well, I just realized that without my conscience being healed up, I would, ultimately, have fallen right back into waybrain thinking, or close to it. What I have just realized today is that what I had actually been doing was rebuilding my conscience...relearning how to distinguish between right and wrong, good and evil. I think that's why GS has made such an impact on my life...it's a whole community of people seeking truth and answers, helping each other to get to that truth and those answers. I immediately recognized that I needed to be involved here. I needed those same truths and answers. All the postings here have made me think hard about my beliefs and their application...harder than I've ever thought before....and all this thinking is finally paying off...I'm learning vital insights into God's Word and His ways more and more every day...the pieces of the jigsaw really are comming together...and today, a big one dropped in place. FROM THE DEPTHS OF MY HEART, THANKS GS COMMUNITY! :eusa_clap: :eusa_clap:

Open letter to T-Bone, the only fee-gotten son of the most high Gourd, the founder and president of the Why Mimickery, Intl., Dear Bone, Greetings in the howly name of Gourd. Having been a mender of the Why Mimickery for several days now, and I just wanted to write to you to say....uhhh....duhh....the Weird of Gourd is sooo fine. All of your teachings have impacted my life most wonderingfully. Such realities as the Four Simplified, Gourd in Cripes and You, Believing is Reciepting, the power of Redundant Shearing, and my favorite of all, the Pastover Lamp, have taken on whole new meanderings. Oh, the glorious revelations you have shown me from the Weird of Gourd!!! The wierds escape me, my teacher, to espress myself. In my community I am becomming known as a wholly man and a frequent discerner of BUTTs. (Bad Unseen Terestrial Things). I can now walk down our city streets and discern BUTTs of all kinds...big BUTTs, small BUTTS, even General BUTTs (the scary ones). Many of my friends have asked me to teach them the techniques of this Gourdly discernment. Of course, as instructed, I told them not to tamper with BUTTs, and that the best policy is to not touch that subject. They argued, but understood. Praise Gourd for small miraculousnesses. I promoted the class and advised them to seek your friendship, the master of BUTTs of our day and time...no BUTT is too big for you to handle...spurtually, of course. I look forward to someday entering the Corpse Program and learning how to fully debase myself, reprove and correct myself, most importantly, to humiliate and embarass myself in my own presence. The principles of the Why Corpse I have read about are just what I need in my life. Never sleeping or eating is my biggest need, as this, of course, permits me to give ALL my income to the Mimickery. I yearn to understand the Mistery of the Bread Thread, the depth of the Book of Rebelations, not to mention doing All Nine At the Time. I'll close by saying "Praise Gourd and pass the beans"! (I love your enduring truthisms) I continue to study to show myself reproved before Gourd, a workmen who needs be ashamed. And at the risk of sounding preposterous, I feel I am truly becoming "Bone-headed". What a thrill!!! Thank you, Your Bone-headed disciple, Listener (the Farce made me do it!!!)

In the BACK of what, I thought he was on the bank?!?! Bozz must be a good shot to hit a fish from the back of a bank! :blink:

OH BOY!! Who's taking the ABS tonite?? I can't wait to give the ministry what they deserve!!!! Then, can we all sing that great spiritual song "Inna Godda Davidda" (sp?) together?? Will T-Bone be teaching on the PFRT class? He's soooo spurtual!! I think the Farce is strong with us tonite!! :biglaugh:

WOW!!! Suda, I didn't realize the croissant sandwich was on special today!!! it's my FAVORITE!! Hey, Chula.......you...munch, munch.....gotta.....gulp....munch....try......munch, munch......these things....gulp....they're great.....chomp, chomp!!!!!! OK, OK, shouldn't talk with my mouth open...but this tastes soooooooo good!!!......schlurrrrrrrp....gulp.....ice tea's super!!....schlurrrrrp!!....AAHHHHHHHHH!!! Come on, Chula, dig in!! :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

Well, hi there, Chula. Welcome to the GS Cafe. If you hang around a while, you'll get the answers to you questions...just give the people some time to see your post. While you're waiting, you might like to check out the many articles on the home page. Lot and lots of info there...enjoy. By the way, being that this site incorporates a very wide cross-section of thoughts and ideas, it mainly revolves around ex-way people and their experiences. We love to talk about God, the bible, Jesus Christ, Christianity, and so on and so on. We like having fun too, so don't be surprised at the, sometimes, off-beat humor. Just browse the many forums here and you'll be sure to find something interesting. Most of all, don't be shy. Just jump in, be courteous and respectful, and you'll find a whole lot of great people to interact with who are also courteous and respectful. :) Enjoy your stay, Chula.

I don't doubt that some females went after males, but the process was quite different, I think. The males were predatory, whereas the females were more seductive in nature. In other words, pretty normal as to females trying to attract a male. I was propositioned to "visit the woods" on occasion, "to talk". Never went, but it did give the old ego a boost! I never saw any predatory behaviour at all in the women while I was there.

nyunknown, don't forget the above highlighted requirements.

Ham, you can add in extra credit/classes to exceed 4.0 now a days.

Motivation machine. I like that.....gotta fuel up my motivation machine! Good mind picture. Almost sounds like a song title. Thanks, Eyes. WG - that's sad about that women. Don't know how she's doing now, but I prayed for her anyway. She NEEDS to get out of there. :(

Hi Through. I relate to your post. For many years I was deathly ashamed of TWI and that I was involved with it. It just takes time to heal. Don't fret about it. You don't need to advertise that TWI was part of your life. Think of it as a bad bout with an illness that has been treated, and that you are now healing up from. Hang out here, do some searches on topics that interest, or concern, you. Lots of love gets poured out in these pages...go find it...it will help the healing process. Want some prayer? Just ask. It's awful nice to know you've found people who understand what you are going thru, and are willing to help, or just listen.

This sounds great. A very nice addition to GS's menu...as long as refreshments are served!!

Oh, and I just wanted to add a big THANK YOU for the clear instruction and warning concerning Bad Unseen Terestrial Things. A very important part of my daily life will, now, most certainly, be the discerning of all BUTTs in my viscinity!! :biglaugh: May the Farce be with you.

:biglaugh: T-Bone - Thank goodness you received my application! As per the 16 page instruction sheet that came with it, I immediately realized I was height challenged and IQ overloaded. So, I called the doctor and said....... "doctor, doctor....gimme the news......i got a...bad case...of height to loose! Well, he said he could take care of both problems at once, and immediately scheduled me for surgery...he talked about some mumbo-jumbo medical stuff (which i don't believe - lesson 5)...:huh:...but when he's done, I will be a full 2 inches shorter than you, and will have no intelligence whatsoever!!.... ...the perfect friend!! I hope that upon receipt of the documentation, you will accept my enrollment into TWTBTBF fellowship. P.S. I've received lessons 9 and 10, and am very excited to dive into them. And to think, only 121 more to go and I will be at one with the universe and can create my own earth and stars just by thinking them into existence!!

nyunknown, my friend, I'm new here too. I bump heads once in a while, too...as you said, no problem. I'm looking forward to hearing your input and opinions, so jump in whenever you feel so inclined. I'm glad you're here.

Please!!......I'll swear on a stack of anything legal that I'm NOT a TWIt....maybe a twit, at times, but definitely not a TWIt!!! I left in late '86 and never looked back...thank God!! T-Bone - You read me right. I was told by Yoda, at my evaluation, that the Farce was strong with me.....or was that farts???...been a long time ago...NO, it WAS Farce! I get a big kick out of jokin' around...and I couldn''t resist your post! May the Farce be with you, brother!