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I see the unborn baby, the fetus, the child in it's earliest and later stages of growth as a living person. I agree that the baby doesn't as yet have it's own "breath life", that is independent (of the mother) life and consciousness to the end it can decide important things yet, like if Wendy's fries are better then MacDonald's, but I don't think that makes the unborn baby any less a living entity. Jesus's teachings on obedience to the law figures in to my thinking here. Jesus taught that a person could do wrong before God in their thoughts and intents, not only in their actions. If you cheat on your wife, you commit adultery. If you think about it and want to do it, the wrong is the same as if you did it. As in, it's not simply the end result in action that is meaningful, it's the desire to do so. Intent. I consider that in regards to this - whatever the path to it, the human's formation in the mother constitutes a life which, if it follows it's natural course succesfully, will produce a human being. The intent is life. I'd also want to see every option for the health and safety of both the mother and infant available. High risk situations would need to be considered as such. I guess I'm "pro-choice" but with a few asteriks. Choice with responsiblity and direction.

I responded there, Jonny, guess it'll appear later. I'm really sorry to hear that. You're in my prayers, friend. I know it's a loss, a big empty hole. It will fill with all of the love and thoughts you have of him. You and your family are in my prayers. 1 Cor. 15:51, 52, 58

Happy Happy Birthday, A la!!! That's amazingly wonderful!!!! So good to see everyone. JL, must hear the stories you have to tell! The desert experience really answered some things for me. I'm sure there's evidence there of a past colony of highly advanced Amazing Sea Monkeys! For instance I found some "Shrimp Plants", or "Justicia brandegeana", a flowering desert plant whose blooms resemble...shrimp!!! They're beautiful, and could be the remanants of the huge aqua-cultures believed to be grown by the ancient ancestors of today's sea monkeys! (Dr. Frederick G. Gilley's "Big Book of Brine" speaks of these legendary aqua-cultures in chapter 3, page 1277, noting that while the western USA was once covered in water these "Shrimp Plants" could be proof of the incredibly advanced technologies of ancient Sea Monkey! colonies in that even now in the dry desert, they still grow! and resemble those original brine-shrimp farmers that grew them underwater! Think about it - whole watery ranges of Shrimp Plants, grown with love!) It's all so amazing!!!

Hmmm...wonderwon, some people that want nothing to do with the ministry have other reasons besides hurt. Doctrine, for one. If you disagree strongly with what the Way teaches in one or more area. Besides the tripe that Craig Martindale came up with the last few years of his residency at the Way they pretty much haven't grown in what they've taught or believe for many years. They hold strongly to the idea that they have it all wrapped up in the basic precepts of the original PFAL class. Add to that the muddled mess of what LCM came up with - prevailing in the promised land, "WOW" being accomplished, etc. etc. and they're not much good for anything to a person that really wants to know Christ and understand the bible in a constructive way. I don't really agree with you that when we get hurt we don't make change as a result. If an employer is dishonest, you'd be advised to quit if there's nothing you can do to change it. Better to quit than be a party to the dishonesty. If a marriage partner is abusive and won't stop or get help, you'd be advised to get away from them. Unless you like being abused or figure you'll put up with it for one reason or another - the kids, the house, the family, etc. Those can be pretty sorry situations for the people that get stuck in them. We all hurt each other. When we make a practice of it, rationalize it and defend it and continue it, something's wrong.

Sounds like a real uh, blast.

Brother Tom, the trip to the desert was illuminating, to say the least! Reams of data, so much to collate! I'm still sifting through it all. I want to pass on an event that was extremely unusual, to say the least. I still can't quite explain it, but I'll try to describe it. It was the 3rd night out, approximately 75 miles north east of Barstow, out in the open desert. We'd just finished dinner, cooked on an open fire, and were feeling tired from the day's exploring. Clear night, nearly a full moon and the heat of the day was quickly being replaced by a refreshing cool. Nothing like that desert cool, where the sand's still a little warm but the night air starts to chill. Off to the right a small jack rabbit came ambling up, cautious, probably smelling the food. He kept getting closer, moving up then back then up again. I reached in the pot of stew still out over the coals of the fire and pulled out a small carrot piece and held it up. His nose wiggled and he stopped and watched intently as I let the breeze catch it's scent and then I tossed it off about 20 feet away from the camp. What happened next...well.... He went around in a circle, cautious, and came up from the right side to where the carrot was laying and stopped. I suddenly noticed there in the dim light a slight shimmering in the air in front of him, between he and the carrot, much like the way the air above the hot sand shimmers during the day. It seemed strange as it was getting cooler and it was nearly dark. But I could see a distinct movement in the air almost like a shadow, but clear. It's hard to describe even now. I leaned forward for a better look and indeed, it seemed the space from just in front of where the carrot lay was quivering ever so slightly, as if diffused through a filter. The more I looked the clearer I could see it although I hadn't noticed it at all earlier in the bright sun - a space about 4 feet wide and 5 feet high of pale, undulating gray-ish white light. I was just about to move closer to see what it was when the little rabbit hopped forward to get the carrot and crossed over into the shimmering space. And suddenly, he was gone! I sat there for...several minutes? I don't know how long really. Staring, trying to see where the rabbit had gone. It seemed like the entire desert had gone silent. Off in the distance the wail of a coyote broke through and I jumped a foot! Scared the crap out of me! I got up and stepped forward and then suddenly, just as quickly and clearly as he'd disappeared, the rabbit stepped back into view...out of nowhere! I could't believe it...he looked at me for a long second and then turned off to the other side and took off. In a second he was gone and I was alone again. Mrs. socks came out of the tent and sat down, I guess the look on my face caused her alarm. She asked me what I was doing. I just looked at her and said "I don't know". What this has to do with our Sea Monkeys! research developed over the next two days. I'm still typing out the notes. All I can say is, it was amazing!!!

Ha! Bluzeman, is it an "Aquamarine Blue" book? :D--> By the way, I just about popped a gizzard on the Wonder1 thread, Bluzeman. You openly stated the real purpose of GS! I hope everyone can handle it! :D-->

I can think of several answers that might apply- 1) This is America, the Good Old USA, home of the brave and the one-finger salute. Asking an American why they bitc H is like asking a tic why it bites. Why? Because we can. 2) "If the ministry was really that bad" is a relative perception. Some people like what was taught but didn't like the nut cases running it. Some people didn't agree with what was taught or the nut cases running it. Some people didn't like being treated like severely retarded dogs with bibles. It goes to show one thing - if you screw enough people enough times and think you can get away with it you're not going to get much slack and you're going to hear about it. 3) Ask the mother who started MADD why she's so peeved about drunk drivers. When it happens to you, it's personal. 4) I left the Way about 15 years ago. I tend to not talk about it a lot. When I do, this is a good place to do it. The real purpose of this site is what Goey stated. If you think it's something else, say on.

Yeah, like housisarockin' say! There's a part of hip hop that's really humorous, the sounds. A lot of "rap" is just so over the top hilarious I kind of like it. As long as nobody gets hurt. The Amazing Sea Monkeys! are lovers, not fighters! And it's time to wage war! Uh, hey. I'm your neighbor, right? Tell your neighor ya lub 'em. :)--> And swim......swimmmmm! It's all so amazin' !!!

Do a search for Outkast. They've been around for awhile but hit it big in the last year with the radio friendly and highly funky tune, "Hey Ya". It's has a rock feel and a killer chorus. It's been all over everywhere it seems, check it out! They wear various costumes and looks. The two lead singers actually have very good voices, sort of r and b stuff. I should add it's not quite G rated entertainment in parts, but it's such a silly goofy song it's good.

Oh yeahhhhh! SWEET! How were they? Wild? Crazy? I wanted to catch it, missed it. Heyyy yaaaaaa! :)--> Says it all. End of story. Bada bing bada boom.

If you say "God bless you!" 50 times a day but then feel weird saying it when someone sneezes, you might be in a cult.

Outdoor bathing, in and on your premises was common at that time. Nothing in the record indicates Bathsheba did anything out of the ordinary. David's armies were out battling, he was hanging around at home, being "king". David should have been popped for his transgression by Law - Lev. 20:10 and Deut. 22:22. The penalty for adultery was rather stringent, although probably not applied at all times. That's why when Nathan confronts him and David repents Nathan tells him he won't die, ie, be forced to pay the penalty. Which says something about David because for all he knew the next step could have very well been to accept that penalty at that hand of Nathan. But by that time he'd been living in guilt for a long time. David had gone through months of guilt and condemnation over what he'd done. Figure when this whole thing set up he was hanging around at home diddling around when his armies (and Uriah) were out doing battle. David was a warrior king and had made his reputation on the fact that he led his armies and had killed his "10's of 1,000's". David had no problem killing people in fact he seems to have been pretty good at it. At this point he's off the field and staying home. When Nathan tells him the story about the guy and his sheep, you can see how out of balance and self-righteous David had gotten. The penalty for stealing another guy's animals was restitution, but David puffs up and declares "Kill the guy" in addition to that. No doubt he embraced the chance to declare how bad someone else was and make them an example, given that he was living with his own condemnation and hiding it. David as recorded was certainly a man of unique ability and one who did great things. But he was also a man who managed to pi$$ away his life at that point. What he did with Uriah and Bathsheba is indicative of where he was at.

Those minkees be smilin'! Now we're having fun!

Greetings, seekers of Amazement! :)--> It's good to sea everyone!

splaaaaash!

Yeah, the devil's like B.O. Everybody gets some stink here and there, one time or another. Why some people will wear year old underwear though and try to convince me they smell like a rose, I don't know. But I agree - having been at half-stank myself more than once I know you have to give the credit where it's due. I just steer clear of people now who try to convince me smelly stains are really back "in" this year.

Thank you! A la, I remit you in to the hand of the Great Monkey! You have seen them!!! Tom, you're a posting animal! You guys that are up in the multiple 1,000's are way outta my league. I need to beef up my numbers. Although I've been thinking of changing my login and going back down to 0, like Raf(ael) did. ASM's seem to be everywhere. I saw a gang o' them running through the sprinklers in a nearby park today. It's been so hot! They were doing a slip and slide!

Wow, I'm at over a 1000 posts. When did that happen? Holy grail! Batman!!!

Tom, I have been sidetracked by a visit to Le Dentiste. Actually my teeth are fine, I just dig it when the dental assistant drops the chair back and she smiles and says "So, have you been brushing like you're supposed to?" as she snaps on those little green gloves. It's worth every penny. A little drill work. Excavation. I think they found some Essene scrolls in the tooth. There were a lot of "ooohs" and "aaaahs". I have extremely long roots according to the xrays. They use widescreen pan-x film I think. A la, are you looking for them? That may be the problem. Don't look for the monkeys. See the monkeys.

What's 'good authority' Eagle?

After watching the Way dot org site's videos from the SNS, I'd suggest that if there isn't, they start. It'll make it sound a lot better.

:D--> Tom! Oaks! OLM'S everywhere! An important piece of the puzzle is here! The flood in Noah's time...it WAS saline water, SALT WATER! LCM was close, but off by the slightest bit and therein lies the counterfeit! So close and yet denying the truth! It was this salt water flood of dethawed aminiotic fluids that caused the incredible growth of AMAZING SEA MONKEYS!!! throughout the earth!!! It had to have been so intense it washed them off of Mars, drenched the earth with them and spread them throughout the planet! It's the only explanation! And it makes sense!!! too!

Whoa! Thanks for asking....I'm here, sorta. I was driving down to the desert, got off at Bakersfield for a little chow and visited the Buck Owens Museum. Don't EVER get off I-95 in Bakersfield, and don't EVER go to the Buck Owens Museum if you do. They had...I can't even go into it. But I don't think "Fried Sushi" qualifies as food, except in Bakersfield. I ended up at a restaurant called "Hot and Brown and Ready!" and got - Super-fried Hush Puppies, Fried Bread Sticks, Fresh Fried Catfish Nuggets and a Fried Coke, with a side of Fried Cole Slaw and some extra Fried Oil Drippings Sauce, Biggie Size. Everything in Bakersrfield is fried. Steak, veggies, fish, fruit. The coffee, I swear this is true, the coffee was perc'ing in a deep frier. Whew. As I got back on the freeway, feeling kinda seasick, I looked up at the sky and pondered Bramble's now departed ASM's and the possibility that they may be swimming happily even now!!! I feel better. A little Kaopectate and I'll be 100 per cent! Thanks for thinking of me. I'll be back.... :)-->

Hope, WHOA! Isn't Olan Mills offering that as a background choice now for portraits? ANOTHer idea stolen from the Way. DAMM THAT DARK MONKEY!