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Even inside this ministry,there were very few answers,more like browbeating,conform,conform.

Its a predestined kinda thing,The certain select,cream of the crop, genetics,,Hitler youth more like it,maybe they will have to eat some humble pie. Say want a piece of it,nothanks it dont agree with me. Oh thats right,this is america,get a nonprofit status,fleece the hell out of everyone,remember there is some old geezers here(mississip) this is their retirement plan. Yes I too know of the family,one is still working local,god bless him,at least it is for a "real company". As the rest of us know(rules say I cannot include everyone)So I know it is hell to make a living,there is a price to pay,Yeah food, mortgage,car payments,braces medical bills.yeah,The youngsters says,I do not have time for this,I gotta teach the verd,teach the verd victor,teach the verd.The org will take care of my needs. The rest of the followers?Well god clothes the lillies of the field,the birds do not worry.Take no thought.... Why the hell should I care?Well my kids know better,Ole dad did not mince words when it comes to the religion buizz.Once bitten,twice shy,To the namesake..We aint your adversary,the "he"or enity dont need us. "he" enity,is far too slick for that.Look how it brought down gramps ministry,HIS OWN LUSTS.Drunk with power. Lcm,was already at the helm of a ministry of self destruction.

Happy Birthday!!!!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

But your point is well taken. Many people dissociate, not just cult veterans. I like that "cult veterans".Wonder if you can be honorably dischargedfrom one?

A kudo to Sudo A man with a plan, A ton of fun! Happy Birthday!!

Yes at the time I needed a car,not some bs.Remember we were the ministry! Why do you think twis roll call is so small?Everyone left! The way is and always will be cheapskates.

Look at acts,as every one had need,all things common. My point was and is the abundance twi had,they could have given of thier abundance ie extra cars. On a side light,years later,when I had a "real job" I did let someone use a car of mine, she paid the insurance,When she blew it up,she called,please pick up your car,it is at such and such. After pop,the lcs got brand new cars,say bye bye.... I know once given,it was "thier" money.Maybe thats why they lost thier a@@ on Rome city. Giving and recieving,guess they got coming to them. Yet it was "ok" to give to the lc region whatever,One time after being "out of twi,It was around christmas, waiting in line at mejer,a family was in front of me,they were short 20 bucks on thier bill,the husband starting to get upset,I said here merry christmas. Point cheapskate twi helped none but themselves.

The outreach of the word?Were we not part of that outreach?Yeah maybe they fixed a house,but what about when someone needed somthing?Twi charged the hell out of us,for everything,then told us what a deal we got, Churches give back,If someones house burnt down,they help,clothes ect.What happens when your car blows up? I was told to believe,whilst twi had a fleet they owned yes owned not leased,sitting on thier property that sat. With the tithe I gave them. Who the hell were the ministry?The bot said they only had 3 members,were we not the "ministry"?

Yeah,That is a good question,Did the bot tithe?Practice what they preach,preached?

My fatherinlaw once said to me,"You give too much dam@ money to the way'That was back in the mid 80"s Shoulda listened to him! This tithing only "worked" if you were a few special people,Limb or above. New car,nice clothes,richey neighborhood,seemingly endless suppy of cash ola,(though when I was a Woe, wow to most.the lc of ole miss borrowed some money from me,til the end of the month) Like Mr.Ham said,to this effectIf you gotta bribe god,he is pretty small. Twi,The extra special cheap skate cult!Only once in my 20 some year involvement did they spend any money, Was at Cicago 1982,Wierwille put us up for an extra night at the hotel,because of a major snowstorm.Yes Virginia,This one was real!

Howard Allen,Then the financial head,said due to the times,as we had to pay taxes,it was "okay" to do net income instead of gross."Bad ole government"tweety bird interpetation.

Twi,Liked to practice isolation from the "world"meaning everything not under thier total control.How they operated it,was use the scriptures to give it the"final authority"Cant argue with the"word. example a place in the old testament said "the foot returning to its own lusts"Outside the "household" you would have no protection,and be"prey" to the "adversary"(devil). Speaking in tounges,you spoke "directly" to god,thge wonderful works of god,Not everyone could speak in tounges,herafter s.i.t.wayspeak as we call it here,You had to be instructed on how to receive.Hence the classes. sit,I think was the main "kicker"on thier control,one,it was to yourself,though collectively as a group we all did it. The only time it was allowed outloud, was in a "believers meeting" out loud sit with interpation,a message from or for god directly to the people present,only for them,though it was always generic,bland the same,supposedly,some had the ability to "set you on fire",though,In all my years I never heard it. Spacing out,takes many faces,After all the crap I said,Being directly involved with as many people as I can be has been "my way out".Frienships with the"outside" were dicouraged,I know of one individual,who once told me, he literaly had no friends outsie twi.

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Thanks Sudo.I was trying real hard to be sarcastic about the fox,guess it did not come across that way. Yes,they are lame now,afore I left in late 2000,that was thier goal, be lame lay low,we are just your average church in ohio.They were keep on keeping on till the heat was off of them. My attempt to display her,A leader is supposed to lead right?Out front setting the example. obviously she is not,Why the hell do I care?I really do not other that whoever reads this that is either still in, or about to leave,may see,She is not,a profitess,the woman of god,leader of gods people,She is what she is the current leader of a cult who uses the bible for her,and others selfish means. Oh well,Guess I will read a book,get a hobby,Oh greasespot is my hobby!

Well,It is getting near October,And in wayspeak,that can only mean one thing the anniversary of the way international.The theme has been mentioned on another thread,Now to get to the topic at hand, rosilie f rivenbar%,President,Of THE WAY INTERNATIONAL,Profitess,Leader,Director of the word since it has not been known since the first century.Or at least since wierwille stole it from bg lenoro$. She is unique to the way,as she does not outwardly lead,She must think she is deborah from the book of judges.behind the scenes she weaves her plans,Revelation flowing as the great principle unfolds. The lord almighty has revealed to her the coming year,The followers will serve with gladness,The present truth is revealed.The lord has shown her,We must lie low,we are just a simple bible group,In centeral ohio,we are no threat,no harm,we simply fellowship after the likes of the wierwille brothers before us. See how silly this all is?Thank God She has no more power over me,I can see the cult for what it is,gain is godliness,What a retirement plan she has,built on the back of all the duped followers. Yeah,I could find better things to do... I need to burn this off,Get it out of my system,Perhaps it can help someone,It is helping me.

Mark,You do seem to have an agenda,I asked I know,That is what greasespot is about,discussing stuff you never could around twi.For that I am grateful.Peace

i talked with a friend(non twi,ever),He is a baptist,Suprise,suprise,we both are still in dispensation thinking,he said the bible is adressed to different groups.Salvation is not a progressive event. Point is we all think different,have different interpations of the bible,Whatever,I enjoy our discussions.Peace.

My prayers for all you texans,God bless ya,we love ya all!

You guys probably could talk rings around me,Grace,twi,should we continue in sin that grace may abound? that was thier motto,If that is cheap grace.For the rest of us,we did our utmost to keep the scriptures, I certainly did not live the lifestyle of twi top leadership,had I known,I would have left. I am glad for your ideas,dont think i agree with them,Have read enough of bullinger,to agree with him. Alot of people read this information,let them decide,to me religion is like a poptart,if you do not like one flavor,go try another. I have been jaundiced by twi,that I will never be a part of a church or organization.Iwill be the first to tell you to fly a kite,if you do not like it.At least I know where you are coming from,I reserve my comments on whether I think you are right.God will judge all of us,still working on where jesus fits in,I know he is my brother,you know,heirs of god,joint hiers with jesus.Peace all Still think I got eternal life,That is the only thing that has kept me going all these years,Remember, Jesus in the desert?Devil tried to get him to consider his birthright,calling,He does it to us every single day.

The worst?Why that would be mr.chris gramlic3.A herr hitler if there ever was one a mindless drooling follower of the forehead if there was one.His idea of help in the household was not to ask for help.when you had a severe need. As a poster said,It got worst after the "fog"All the"good"leaders left,so up came the scum of the universe.

I would say,I always had my music to go to,someway to escape "wayworld for a while,That and work,having friends.

Thats just it,They(v2p2s group cff) Think ole vic was as pure as the driven snow. So the "new"is the same as the old a unstable foundation,based on a system of myth, fantasy, and as George Arar says"wayworld. As Ham says he warned him and was rebuffed. In v2p2s mind,now reality,we are less than vomit,Geez louise,Just little ole me has or was in the vaunted ministry longer than v2p2 has been alive! Oh!we know nothing,Twi never did or will utilize the resourses in the people they had,Do you think The"sowers" will? Have a cup of java on me v2p2 ya might learn a thing or two here.

On the way topic,this subject came up.incoruptble seed,seems some are saying you can lose your salvation.I personaly do not believe this,what are others take on this? I know twi used this as a magical shield to do any dam2 thing they wanted to do.