mj412

I was m/A went back and walked away. I did both , When I was told I had to many problems to attend fellowship, I believed it. I am lucky i truly had no where eles to turn but my God and prayer. It worked fabulously and my life got better , knowing it was me and Him working it out together I learned to trust God only. I returned to the way and fellowship almost a decade later a happy well rounded educated secure lady wanting to give all I had learned about such a wonderful Saviour . I walked away. I was very depressed, I knew what reality was happening I didnt have blind eyes to suffering folks I saw alot of people worship, and fear. folks who I knew as young adults now old and stressed and worried about life. I left because of the witness they had, the fruit in life was awful, most were poor and had many serious problems with community and society and isolated themselves. They were unhappy and nasty to anyone who wasnt in the way and treated one another like they could do no wrong and needed one another to even make a simple choice in life. they were jealous of me, now and it was worse far worse because I loved them with my whole heart and even more I knew how much God loved them with His whole heart and didnt want to see the stress and pitiful life they lived and use His name as a cop out excuse on why . I left because I could see what would happen if I had stayed and it was very very sad. to be m/a was painful but I still believed the way was not the problem it was me. To know the way was wrong and hurting people was worse for me and it was much more difficult to close up my desires to love and help and be a part of it, to walk away from people I knew just wanted the best for themselves and their families and know God I felt awful . both changed my life in 180 degrees. I think I love everyone now to this day because of that loss . Songs that play that talk about not being together to see the folks or years gone bye yet the love still abides I sing to them still.

Remember when it was suppose to be a slave for God? I remember followers saying they were sold out slaves . The problem is many and still do not know the difference between twi and God in fact twi was Gods ministry and blah blah . It was twisted and the lines blurred. God was twi twi was God..... yes oldesman people could leave if they wanted to admit not loving God enough to be a sold out believer in service to twi .

I agree again that twi didnt begin with an agenda of hurting people . What as the agenda then ? I say it as sales to make an empire. I do believe that was an agenda . People corrupt with power or without depends on the type of person you are. Yes some had roles to play many had roles to play those roles were defined by many factors. I do not think those who dictated the control were any less victims of what was happening. I may pity them even more. A victim to me means someone who was hurt by no fault of their own... not neccesarily black and white statement . I think oldesman is saying just because a person didnt fully know or find out all the sorid details of why or what was happening with the leaders it has to be their problem and they cant be a victim. ignorance you may say is no excuse. Yet It wasnt just ignorance it was being blinded to truth that is a different thing. a different thing and yes evil . [This message was edited by mj412 on January 14, 2003 at 9:48.]

"`Dam it Janet! I love you!" I still say that .

I agree with oldiesman completly . He is so right. thank you for writing that, some will not want to hear it. Yet consider, for some it was a complex thing to give up a lifestyle , and often all family ties to admit wanting to leave. many could not see any other life after awhile olds. a person born and raised in an inner city has no idea what having a cabin in the mountains would be like and it is quite scary and vice versa a person born on a farm moving to the ghetto may have great trepidations. And the way frightened people so with all the talk of Dying and such if you so much as consider any other train of thought.

The way always had those special ones they trusted and knew wouldnt make a mistake as public relation experts. Advertisment people with no real substance in them , they could be allowed with permission cause most liked them( or tolerated) and the leaders knew they had them under full control . the folks NK talks about are the most scary and insiduous types like two faced bastards setting you up for the kill. Not kidding I know that sounds harsh , I saw them and how they got that way . It is caused DENIAL and playing mind games with themselves and the general public . They did not take the hard stand for Gods word and his ministry of course not they were fine and dandy and normal living in a cult world they just were the bait. Most had no clue who they were or what they thought in any genuine way , just proving to the world we are fine and let me tell they get kudos for it. Most were fake people you know the ones with the constant smile and high pitched vioces?

Hello How about this gem... Forget the past and move forward to the high calling of Christ Jesus??? In the past man In the past, Cant metion it again. no experience in LIFE if you follow that beauty the way they use it. It is the past people , forgivness , move forward Has anyone ever tried to metion an experience that was less that wonderful with one of their faithful ones? it happened yesterday oh well that is the past and your a gossip and a slander of someones ministry and God will get you for that. YOU WANT TO DESTROY A MAN OF GODS MINISTRY???? Any experience was in the past therfore INVALID! just my experience with a cult.

Freshair it was not just in ohio man. I was far far away from headquaters, yet the same thing was happening to those around me. It was a cult I say that in a sense of they taught everything that was not twi instilled was evil . Ok live(if you must) but do not let that tainted world touch you or you will die. most didnt live and I think women suffered most because many couldnt work outside the home , so the only exposure to people they had was twi fellowship. Home school began to get popular , I mean all those devil spirits in public schools forcing evilness in the mind. I think school was the only relief some of those kids got. those who didnt get home schooled sometimes had individual thoughts as they grew older, the solution to that mighty sin was get them out of your house those rebellious unbelievers and many did just that or stopped being a parent to them . the constant relocations as well those kids had no lasting childhood friends or memories , other believer kids was the only thing safe to play with . cult [This message was edited by mj412 on January 11, 2003 at 8:49.]

happy birthday your a tough cookie so manly at times I skip a breath just reading your replys! lol it is fun

Firebee I tried to send you a picture of a butterfly to be your friend on your birthday in the above post. sorry it didnt work . happy birthday firebee

happy birthday Goey what would my ramble be without your help? firebee um well that was ... I just do not know ... deep

oh mike you want sandy healed I knew your agenda was so godly and wholesome all along and your so right you have alot of say in this day and time as most power does indeed belongs to satan and his helpers , yet as Garth indicated God gave Jesus Christ the Authority you believe you have today. It shouldnt be much longer before we all see justice. Im am sorry. oops my idea of some getting healed can get very hot! like a big pit . you know Mike to your honest glory you have helped many many see the rabid senseless mind set of those involved in TWI and just how consuming and pathetic the end can be. I began posting because I have alot of respect and honestly admire some who write here because God makes Love happen and where two or three are Jesus Christ will be there as well. He didnt die and give you the throne Mike He was exalted to a power that will some day destroy every lie or hurt. The bible a book that has lasted through many many years promises I get to watch the burn. Oh happpy day I will see ya again. out respect for pawtucket and his forum and to heed the wise words from those smarter than I I say good bye mike. I know you will get the job done and anyone out there with any shred of believing any good came out of TWI will now realize how dangerous it was and continues to be . A cult that damages for a life time. Jesus Christ is the Saviour God planned on for His children people not vioces in the darkness who claim revelation and secrets and powers full of confusion God loves us , it is not complex or only for those who own some special words or thinking or feelings they are compelled to share because they have something you do not. God loves those who seek Him and for me it was as simple as prayer. to God Almighty not to any DR. or organization or any man.

your right Mike does have a right to write here. My words come from personal dealings with Mike on these very issues. I stated that fact as well. It is true Mike has been making this pitch for many many years and has not been the least bit confused or considered any other view. Right Mike ? Those of you who think kid gloves are neccesary with posters do not seem to have much to say other than who is wrong and who is right not by activly participating in the discussion. Mike likes this. I dare say Mike is waiting for time in his life to begin even more posting.. he gets excited and feels alot of emotion thinking he has converted or helped the poor lost souls who need him. Your right it is all about feeling sorry for Mike. He has had his *** kicked for so long now he actualy wishes for more. I ask Mike himself what is your purpose Mike? Why is it you need to tell others your news? On a mission from God dude? The issue of whether flakes were involved in peoples lifes in twi is of no doubt to me whatsoever. I saw plenty all year long.

Mike In the last sentence of the above post you said "No one has gone all the way with that attitude". Where do you think your going Mike? Abigail yes that is exactly what happens people lose the ability to think they can be Gods creation and live a happy blessed life doing what makes them feel good. oh my how selfish feelings and everything!!! I believe in God and I think He knows who we are better than anyone and He puts it in the area of sinner . Jesus christ was also a man created by God . He knows the drauma and trauma we face everyday, yet God finished the plan to have us live forever. Why does it get so complicated? Because folks like mike what to be the top dog the best one ever it isnt anything but human .involved human competition of who is more educated, enlightened, powerful etc... I believe this is the arena that Jesus Christ got erased out of the story in the way. I think Jesus Christ is the key to being blessed today and tommorrow.

GEEZ i AM THRILLED i WAS ABLE TO COPY AND PASTE KINDA PROUD OVER HERE THAT IT ACTUALY HAPPENED!!! oop still working on the cap key getting stuck , mark well now do I really sound like someone who can figure out the " and the " where are they? Your right they are parts of letters he sent me but not mj412 I was someone eles then. But he has been playing for a long while. My only input began with HELLO GGREASESPOT ... I know it looks easy but I am still amazed when I push the reply button and it shows up !!

Several paragraphs above you can find a little explanation of how Dr got what he got on dechomai and lombano. He did not track down this information, he got it by revelation. This information can't be figured out by scholars or by 5-senses methods. Scholars who are meek can "quietly accept that which is untraceable and cannot be explored or found out." These appendixes have been added to this volume for those who desire to search out and explore the deeper reason for the way in which God has set truth in perfect order in His Word. We desire this deeper, spiritual understanding of God's Word. A 5-senses understanding is too limited to defeat the adversary. By meekly searching out and systematically mastering the treasure God has provided in English for us we will see "many difficulties disappear." We have the pure Word of God. Agape, Mike HELLO GREASESPOT these last two posts are copies of just some of the garbage Mike has sent me . So he also believes DR. was getting revelation for his teachings in answer to your question about Pauls teaching in Mikes eyes Weirwille was a apostle.

It's obvious that I laid some pretty incredible ideas on you. These things will become clearer as we obey Dr's final instructions and get down to mastering those collateral books that came with the class. And who are we to refuse Dr's dying last words to us? The grand summary of all that I've attempted to communicate to you is that those PFAL books are much bigger than we had ever dreamed, MUCH MUCH bigger! They really are directly from God and far surpass what the King James translation committee were able to come up with. That mere version, and all versions are NOT really the Bible. Versions can be close in some places, far in other places. Without PFAL, the KJV and all man-made versions are powerless and flawed. Counterfeits will, of necessity, contain some positive truths, but when the power is most needed it will not be found. PFAL is God's way of making limp, opinionated versions of the Bible come to life. This same recognition of the man-made status of all versions applies to translations as well, and even to the existing ancient manuscripts. Remember that those manuscripts are not really copies of the the originals, they're mis-copies. They were made and preserved mostly by a reprobate church, having all forsaken Paul, and they were all made under very extreme pressures of persecution. The reason for the "critical" texts is to sort through the massive differences in all the ancient manuscripts. Even if we had THE original manuscripts, we'd still be subject to the massive satanic influences residing in the teachers and schools of the ancient languages which we'd depend on. Add to that dilemma all the devilish evolution of languages and idioms and cultual, plus the overwhelming religious bias we are all born into. So when Dr said in "The Way Living In Love" page 179 (right after the page on the 1942 promise), that the Word is buried, he meant that the real Bible is NOT available outside that audible promise from God. He uses that word "buried" there THRICE. Other phrases in that section include phrases like "terrific need" and "so far from hearing" and "no one around to teach." It's believing an illusion to think that we have a choice between the Bible and PFAL. We simply don't have the Bible, only counterfeits. Just because a traditionally respected book has the label "Bible" on the outside, that doesn't change the pickles on the inside. And we really are in a pickle ourselves if we are immersed in existing man-made versions of the Bible without prior PFAL mastery. God saw fit to re-issue His Word, NOT as a translation better than KJV, but in a completely different format: PFAL. God is allowed do this and He did. See the "Introduction to the Appendixes" way in the back of "Receiving the Holy Spirit Today." One way God changed the format of His Word is by adding some needed material such as the "mechanics of speech" in Session 12. God added to His own Word before, as reported in Jeremiah 36 with the phrase "many words added.". Another format change is ommisions. In Session One Dr says he's not going to teach the entire Bible. God knows that some items in the original Bible are no longer necessary for our learning. Ommisions such as this also happened in the past, as there are a few books mentioned in the Old Testament that are no longer in the canon or even in existence. The warning in the third to the last verse in the book of Revelation against adding and subtracting applies to men but not to God. God is allowed to do things like this, and that is the reason Dr set this out in such detail just before the appendixes in the Holy Spirit Book. So, why PFAL? When circumstances change the revelation may change, and it did. God is preparing us to see, REALLY see His Son as he returns... soon! Agape, Mike

happy birthday z shot I picture you the kind of guy my mom told me I should have married. your a very sweet guy and soo even tempered and heck I never even would think an cyber fight would involve you... gee Z why are all the perfect guys in cyber space anyways?. your one I wish I knew in person tho... hope it is happy

I think I mastered that . ok?

here is my honest thought. and Im serious I think if anyone could be martindale it may be this guy mike. hahahaha seriously tho

these nut cases make me nuts.... mike has been doing this for years personly I think he is un house arrest with a bracelet on his foot. and he brings out the clones..... cy this. Master what exactly? what the heck does that mean to master something? like we got a slave mentality and yes cy you cetainly are like alot of the social worker I know holier than anyone and pushing blame with your answers for all of creation. did ya get fired or just asked to leave? WHY mike why do you think it is important for someone to master PFAL? I know you and I do not give a rats *** who eles does your a man driven into a confused state by much more than what the way offered you are nuts have been nuts and you need attention like a disease. Master this Mike you may have the right to print here and I may get into trouble for making a personal attack but call a spade a spade here Im telling GS this guy has been doing this for a long time and plays alot of games with his lines of stuff and believe me you have not heard the half of it. He is the reason I went to GS. tell them mike or I will , I kept alot of the garbage you sent me how about the fact only those who master PFAL will have eternal life etc... oh get me out of this please go ahead GS folks you will find out .

I believe Ginger did say it about being free from lies. That means to me to not have to lie, really ever . my boss calls it "confidence", knowing I am important and loved has alot to do with not lying to impress others. I do impress people with me just me not a sugar coated me . To know this allows me to be free to be who I am. mistakes oh yes I make mistakes and I learn that is life, for everyone. I notice when people lie it never really ends they even lie to their own selves about what is important who is important to them . what kind of life is that? where does it end? sometimes I get nervous thinking I am the only one who will admit the truth in a situation but I muster my courage and state the truth and every time it gives someone eles the nerve to say it as well and then love and harmony and respect is generated among one another. truth . Most know when we lie and even if they join in they now classify you as a liar as well. naw I would rather go down with the good guys . sometimes I do not volunteer information and say I do not know all the facts when it is a personal or of a opinion that could change . I got M@A because I told the truth about some one. so I guess that answers the question about whether it was taught or not yes it was encouraged because if the truth be told a lot of the abuse would have been known instead of moved to another area or ignored.

If we met one another in real life would we like one another? haha this is a joke title really. I like being blonde and 120 pounds on the net . I am really one of the dixie chicks.

well we have new behaviour. They have started to put the nibbles in my shoes as I slip them on to run the kid to school I feel little food parts in them , they stuff them full of food what is up with this? does this mean they like it and want to share? I stared to restrict the amount to lose weight and they tear open the bag with their claws in the night..... and stuff my shoes with the pieces. the breath is much better ! I lke this food it is expensive tho and they are still pigs eatin constantly or they start crying and staring at the bowl......