Nathan_Jr

Is the great apostle "dr." victor wierwille?

Glad you're here, Edgar. Welcome.

As Christian Nationalism feverishly sweeps the country like an epidemic of smallpox (thank God for THAT vaccine!), I wonder if TWI would really get on that bus. Like, really. Though they would enthusiastically echo the homo/transphobia, and would add plenty of four-crucifred, flat-earthiness to many of the movement’s logically fallacious talking points, I suspect they would say the current Christian Nationalist movement is doing it all wrong. And they would say it with that snooty, condescending tone they’ve practiced for so long. I think they would disagree with posting the Ten Commandments in classrooms, because Jews… and the Old Testament and The Law. They would also fight any proposed posting of the Beatitudes, because, again, spoken by a bastard Jew in the Old Testament. (Jew hatred is real with wierwille and his spawn. Not so much with current Christian Nationalists.) I suspect there are other planks in the current theocratic platform with which TWI wouldn’t align. Thoughts?

I looked for a patron saint of eyeballs. Closest I found is St. Lucy. https://mycatholic.life/saints/saints-of-the-liturgical-year/13-december-saint-lucy-of-syracuse-virgin-and-martyr--memorial/ “Saint Lucy is often depicted in sacred art holding her eyes because much later legends state that either the guards gouged her eyes out as torture, or that she gouged her own eyes out so that her suitor would no longer be tempted by their beauty.” I suppose, if one had say, ocular melanoma, one could pray to St. Lucy for healing.

I am reminded to rewatch Beverly Hills Cop (1984). What fun!

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I now see the ambiguity in my sentence. To be clear: The reputations and finances of victor wierwille, his top acolytes, and the Ponzi scheme they built were at risk.

If their pro-abortion stance would be problematic for today’s movement, their John-Birchy flat-earthiness might just be enough for a second look and possible seat at the theocratic table.

Pro-choice? Hardly. It was never about a choice. Pro-abortion is a more mathematically accurate and scientifically precise description. Abortion was merely a rational and practical method deployed to mitigate risk of reputational and financial loss.

Those are not the only alternatives. Christian Nationalism is not dissimilar to Jihadism/Islamic Nationalism. It's all theocracy, whether by Doug Wilson or Mullah Omar. Mainstream/Fundamentalist/Conservative Christianity is not Christian Nationalism.

Twinky: Expand your vision, people. The world is not the USA. And the vision presented by news sources in the USA is very biased, one way or the other, with insufficient apolitical reporting, and not much international reporting. There are many countries outside USA - it's true!! It really is!! There are 50 countries in Europe, 54 in Africa, 48 in Asia, 12 in South America. 195 countries altogether, sharing this planetary space. That may mean 195 different cultural outlooks, problems, benefits. Life works much better if we can work collaboratively not competitively. We are all INTERdependent. Not INdependent. So please - take the time to think of what happens elsewhere, and how what goes on in one country - your own, wherever that might be - affects those in other countries. All I'm saying is : be prepared to take another look at whatever you hear and think: the news, scripture/theology, anything you're interested in - from a different angle, perspective. Amen, Sis. Amen

I think her challenges to those traditional assumptions have merit. I don’t disagree with her. Jesus being white is laughable. I am presently convinced by the textual and manuscript evidence against those anti-women verses being authentically Pauline. Paul was a radical. Later scribes couldn’t handle it, so they added verses, even forged whole epistles, to MAKE Paul fit like a glove on their misogynistic hands.

Interesting bit about Cato. It seems the later scribe who added verses 34 and 35 was familiar with his popular injunction.

Doug Wilson’s movement is light in the loafers compared to its Islamic equivalent, Jihadism. But with big enough believing, one day it could be as “spiritually mature” as the Taliban, who has made it illegal for girls and women to talk in public. Voting rights? An issue for mere babes in tha werd.

And if it’s NOT possible, just apply that foundational hermeneutic: if it doesn’t fit, you got to MAKE it fit. Make the numbers whatever they need to be. What a tremendous truth!