Nathan_Jr

^^This can’t be repeated enough. It’s true, even if you don’t beleeeve it. Hey! I didn’t write the book.

This is a real risk to consider. When I first came to GSC ten years ago, I thought it was pro TWI because of posters like Mike and Johniam and Jeaniam and others. It was a huge turn off and kept me away for years.

"Direct revelations are for special believing for miracles" This is an essential cop out in the huckster's bag of tricks. (Sine qua non.) It's so convenient. It fits like a glove full of bullshonta. "Will you please cast out that spurt?" "Not without revelation... I mean, I know how (H-O-W)... but, but... I'm not doing anything until I get revelation." "What about Johnny's withered hand? Can you heal that?" "I can, I mean, I know how (H-O-W), but I won't, unless l get revelation." "Oh." Come on people!! F cking bullsh it!!!

It shook me to my core, as well. I remember reading your story last year. I cannot forget it. I cannot forget victor paul wierwille's ironic false prophesy about Skyrider's parents, either. But I trust, which is to say, I super-special-believe, which is to say, I have believing faith the size of a mustard seed, which is to say, I bet my life that on THAT day some will be looking around for victor and this limb coordinator. But they will be out of sight, hidden, absent, because they will be inside the mouth of God scrubbing it clean of their defecate. That's the extent of the revelation (twice=established) on which I place my bet. What happens to them after they finish cleaning their filth from the mouth of God... well, that's God's business. I'm not placing bets on that. I know this: I would hate to be them on that day.

Faith = trust, letting go, surrender Belief = clutching, clinging, adhering

Only Thomas was permitted to put his hand in the wound. Only Thomas touched the incorporeal body of Jesus Christ. Only Thomas was vouchsafed an understanding that transcends all belief. Thomas found out. The rest had to believe.

If I remember correctly, among all 114 sayings of Jesus in the Gospel of Thomas, belief and believing is never mentioned.

You can't fix stupid, indeed. And I don't pretend that I can.

Of course. Sure. So? Right. The church in Rome. The body of Christ in Rome. Indeed, there are. Victor "taught" a lot of things. He "taught" a lot of error. He was wrong about Romans 13. For centuries charlatans, hucksters and autocrats have manipulated this chapter for their own selfish desires. Charlatan hucksters like victor twist the chapter in a vain effort to legitimize their lust for control and power. Nobody? So what. Doesn't make the honor righteous. Well... I'll let this speak for itself.

I don’t think it has really devolved into politics. Not REALLY. But it does appear to have taken a turn into a cave well lit by torches and occupied by terrorists.

You’re setting up your straw man as a false dilemma. I don’t believe any of what you suggest I believe . Romans 13 can be understood within Paul’s historical context — Roman imperial cult. What he’s saying in that chapter was for the 1st century Roman ekklesia (always ‘assembly,’ never ‘called out.’) not for 21st century Mericans. Find out what cult meant in the Roman Empire of Paul’s lifetime. Find out about the beleeeved divine status of emperors and their families Find out about gods EVERYWHERE during that time. Everyone honored and paid tribute to local and imperial gods, even Jews did — honor is not the same as worship.

It helps to bolster the case for historicity. This is how historians do history. But wisdom literature and scripture need not be historically accurate to effectively articulate Truth. Reading the Bible as a historical document to confirm historical facts will be problematic. But is this why one reads the Bible? Is historical fact the fruit? Or is there a deeper, higher fruit?

Nope. He was not a born again Christian. Not even might have been. He was born Jewish and was into TM. I'm not surprised you don't know this, even though you claim him as a hero. Andy Kaufman made a career of exposing and throughly eviscerating charlatans, including "Christian" hucksters like victor paul wierwille. If you want to find out about Andy Kaufman, you should search again. Or, if you prefer, re-search. Pentecostal Christians in the West aren't the only people on the planet who speak in tongues, whether counterfeit or authentic.

Yep. Boy, golly, does it ever! Sounds like victor paul wierwille and his oily-headed seed boy, loy craig martindale.

“It's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves.” Frank Kafka, The Trial (Hey! I didn’t write the book.)

Hey! I didn’t write the book. I didn’t coordinate the music. Did you see The Omen? Cookies don’t lie. It’s true, even if you don’t believe it.

The logic Mike employs is the same logic Victor employed when he squatted over and defecated into the mouth of God. It's a comedy show for the devil . He's laughing his foot off. Ask johniam.

Criminy! It sounds like you didn't absorb it completely the first time. Let me explain... The contents of the paper folder are NOT the contents of the cookie jar. Some people call them double doors, I call them French doors. Did you see the movie Sling Blade? It's like The Omen, but not. See? Math.

Yes! You were right on with that post.

This law is mathematically accurate and scientifically precise. Like a tailored glove. Like an interpretation of equal syllables. Like a cookie in a jar. Like a paper folder. Like a rape done in the love of god. The following is the legal, mathematical proof equation of the scientifically metaphysical law. 60% of the time it works every time.

What? I thought it was due to God's self-imposed budgetary constraints. He's not a generous god, he's a stingy god with a budget. You can line up perfectly your believing-manifestation-kinds-of-faith, walking action, promised promises, revealed revelations, wagging tongues, and it will be all for naught, if it ain't in God's budget.

Did you check to see if God promised a Saturday check from a temp job? Obviously, he didn't, because you did everything else right. The numbers, the paint, the gloves... Got to get your needs aligned with your wants and find out if God promised that alignment before you believe for it. And the ABS hedge of protection only works if you are manifesting believing kinds of faith while wearing clown shoes. See? It's axiomatic. Isn't that just tremendous! Got to MAKE it FIT

Mmmmph! (Seriously. No snark. Damn. Well done, Mr. Bone. Mmmmph.)

Is the devil laughing at four crucified or twice times thrice or crowing cocks or Aramaic priority or corrupt means watered-down or victor's interpretation of Romans 13? Just because these things are inaccurate doesn't mean they aren't funny.

Shunning. Ok, fair. But who is doing the shunning? Who is responsible? I never met a more divisive group of human beings prone to shunning literally everyone but their own insular group than the VPW-following family into which I married. That relationship was the most devastatingly destructive I have ever known. I wish I had followed my instincts in the beginning. I wish had understood NPD. I wish I had known GSC.