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Not a cessation of traumatizing victims, but a slowing of the flow! WITAF!! Wow. Just wow. Mike first admitted to the "oodles and oodles" of errors in PFAL. Then he suggested repackaging the error laden class as a DVD box set in order to continue the deceit of the naïve. Now he admits the traumatizing and victimization persists!! Does TWI even know you are here?

The ridiculous will be ridiculed. An axiom.

As good as that thread is, it is not an exhaustive survey. It leaves dozens, even hundreds, of objectively discerned errors on the table.

Mmmph

Mmmph

Soooo…. It has been established (the 2nd time did it) Victor purchased a ThD in homiletics from an opportunistic, short-lived diploma mill called Pikes Peak Seminary. Given. Now, has anyone read his dissertation? I understand he “wrote” it on Peter. HOWEVER, Peter is not a topic for a dissertation. It would be much more focused and specific than just Peter. Anyone know?

mmmph

What does an ECN for the so-called 1942 promise look like?

I wonder what an ECN on four crucified would look like?

There’s much to do. Lots of prep work. Saddle bags to pack, etc. Wherever that little huckster is, he’s busy.

That phrase seems to be in conjunction with, "how will you learn, unless someone teaches you?" "And what you've been taught is wrong. It's not your fault that you can't go very far. It's not your fault that you are ignorant. Your previous teachers are ignorant. But I will teach you with greater accuracy. I will teach you farther. And that's not all! You will need to be taught the advanced teachings." The irony is that victor paul wierwille taught error. If one chooses to cling and clutch to these errors, one will surely be stuck right where they were taught. All this reliance on teachers is bondage. What Twinky said.

What is immediately obvious to me is the principle was downgraded from GREAT to basic..

I'm with you. I find it very difficult to listen to ANY preacher with ANY accent -- mainly because of all the preaching. Thank God for closed captions, subtitles and transcriptions. To my ears the most repulsive, condescending, cringey voice is that of Mark Ward. HOWEVER, his text-critical work is good, especially his work on translations and KJV-onlyism. His methodology for word study within the KJV is a game-changer. But his voice gives his face a reason to be slapped.

Juedes' videos on YouTube were essential for me when I discovered them. I don't know what his religious theological position is, but it doesn't matter, because he doesn't let it get in the way of the dismantling of victor paul wierwille's bullshonta. I just don't like listening to his voice, though his content is accurate and important. I can't listen to victor's voice, either. It grates.

I agree. And it is.

This is gaslighting in the form of victim blaming. I know this well. It triggers me to read it. I'm a pacifist, but this inspires fantasies of violent retribution.

Where have I heard this argument before?

Excellent. Thanks for this! Haven't read all of it yet, but.... mmmmph! I'd rather read Juedes than listen to him, but his videos are important, too.

I get it. I really do.

Just curious. Have you read James Tabor's The Jesus Dynasty? https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/545867.The_Jesus_Dynasty?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=u7ilh5XQ0a&rank=3

I'm not trying to have a conversation with Mike, even if that's what it looks like. I am telling my story. My story is not meaningless, though a conversion with Mike is beyond meaningless, as you so accurately point out. victor paul wierwille and the family of sycophants I married into destroyed my life. I'm simply putting it all down on the page. One of the main reasons I come here is to sort it all out. To write it all out. Mike can be a foil, but I have never pretended to be able to persuade him. I am not arguing with him, nor have I. When I first came to GSC several years ago, I thought it was a pro-TWI forum. I don't remember what thread it was, but it didn't resonate with me. It might have been an incoherent rambling of Mike's. But I had questions. So, I remained in the dark for years before I came back. Mike's bullshonta and delusions and deceptions cannot stand. I am not arguing or conversing with him. The truth I am telling will resonate with someone else who is trying to sort it out for themselves. The truth I am telling will rise above Mike's deception.

My fellowship commander and those caught in his orbit, including my narcissist ex-wife, read victor's books and collaterals only. ONLY. They watch the PFAL class over and over. The only propaganda they consume outside of victor's propaganda is network news on TV. So, it's disinformation on top of misinformation on top of propaganda on top of conspiracy theories on top of inaccurate Bible teachings on top of victor's shoulders. It's bullshonta and lies and destruction all the way down.

I'm not talking about TWI folks. I'm talking about people who can't see over the rim of the soup bowl they're stuck in because they're standing on the shoulders of a dwarf. I'm talking about people who tell the same stories over and over of the good ol days in the '70s. My fellowship commander and his family reject LCM and TWI -- or so they claim. They imitate victor only. They refuse to go beyond the inaccuracies they were taught. I can't see for them. I can't make the blind man see if the blind man loves his blindness.