Nathan_Jr

The tension is theirs. I never participated in their learned condemnation. The blindness and shallow perception is theirs alone. The desperate, delusional clutching and clinging is theirs alone. Though I can see, I cannot see for them. Though I can hear, I cannot hear for them.

And LCM inherited EVERYTHING from victor. No matter how one parses it, it all goes back to victor, as every English version of the Bible goes back to Tyndale.

No contact mainly applies to my ex-wife. It's challenging because we have a child together. No contact also applies to her victor-worshipping family because they lack in depth awareness and perception. They magnify her narcissism because they lack discernment. Again, they choose not to go beyond what they were taught, so they walk in their own destructive blindness.

It is fundamental to survival and healing. All other tools will be throughly ineffectual if one will not go no contact. IMO.

My TWIG commander first took the class around '75. Went WOW, then CORPS, then family CORPs in rez something something... left in '85 or '86. He only reads the writings of victor. ONLY. He refuses to go beyond what he was taught.

I use it because it's understandable to everyone, I think. And it's fewer key strokes. It is always called fellowship. One is either in or out. I use commander instead of coordinator because... "Headquarters"... just "keying off" that military imagery invoked by TWI's own lingo. No contact. He is one of my ex-wife's most supportive and duped flying monkeys. All the talk of discerning of spirits, yet he can't even discern that he is being used by a narcissist.

My twig commander trusts no one. It is a badge of honor for him. He brags about it. He offers the claim unsolicited. He lives an insular life. Rarely leaves his house. Has no friends. Surrounds himself with his family that is as duped as he is about victor and the cult victor built. As a result, no one trusts him, either. Except his duped fellowship members.

if, If, IF... HOWEVER, Weren't the intentions defined? Thirty-six hours later, who could remember what they were. It's like the origin of San Diego. No one REALLY knows what it means.

Mathematical exactness and scientific precision are required to rightly divide this question. Really, this is a question best reserved for the end. Write it on a 3x5 card. Stuff that card in a jar of pickles, then, Then, THEN hide the Quaaludes in the apple butter. See? It all fits like a hand in a glove.

Oooooohhhh.... Kinda like recalling, and reciting in an unknown language, a verse from the Bible that is in no way related to losing your car keys. Or even like loosed hounds chasing a duck. Or like oil, even. OIL. Got it!

It is.

WITAF does this mean? Word study?

Make it your own 3x5 card? It's a superstar thing. It's impossible to understand with your understanding. You've just got to beleeeeve.

Just beleeeve TF out of anything and you will know that you know that you know.

Sounds familiar

Indeed. I was trying to make a fine distinction. Peirce proposes four methods of fixing belief -- how we know what we believe is true. Authority is one of the methods. It's not the strongest nor most reliable way to believe something is true, partly because the risk of the fallacy of Ad Verecundiam . But I think Peirce even suggests that appealing to legitimate authority is insufficient.

I can't find the video of Loy's anointing by that charlatan, but when I do, I'll post it. In the meantime, scratch your itch to watch the depths of human depravity and delusion here:

If you can't find the mantle, just make it up. Snow, gloves, Quaaludes, oil... OIL!

I'll need to renew my mind to remember where I saw it. It's probably on YouTube. I'll look. It's simultaneously hilarious and depraved. A special type of wicked pretentiousness. I'm shivering just thinking about it...

Have you seen the video?

Who were the other six THE MOGs?

It has also been claimed here that victor was "The 7th THE MOG." This would make Loy "The 8th THE MOG" because victor put oil on Loy's head -- OIL!

I ignore it all. Who says he is a MOG? He himself, that's who. Am I supposed to accept an engraved bracelet as supporting evidence for this self-referential claim? Didn't Jesus say something about calling someone your father?

Not a fallacy, but a weak reason for fixating belief. See Charles S. Peirce's The Fixation of Belief http://www.sophia-project.org/uploads/1/3/9/5/13955288/peirce_belief.pdf

Right. A veneer of credibility. As it has been objectively observed and stated many times. The second time established it.