Nathan_Jr

Just beleeeve TF out of anything and you will know that you know that you know.

Sounds familiar

Indeed. I was trying to make a fine distinction. Peirce proposes four methods of fixing belief -- how we know what we believe is true. Authority is one of the methods. It's not the strongest nor most reliable way to believe something is true, partly because the risk of the fallacy of Ad Verecundiam . But I think Peirce even suggests that appealing to legitimate authority is insufficient.

I can't find the video of Loy's anointing by that charlatan, but when I do, I'll post it. In the meantime, scratch your itch to watch the depths of human depravity and delusion here:

If you can't find the mantle, just make it up. Snow, gloves, Quaaludes, oil... OIL!

I'll need to renew my mind to remember where I saw it. It's probably on YouTube. I'll look. It's simultaneously hilarious and depraved. A special type of wicked pretentiousness. I'm shivering just thinking about it...

Have you seen the video?

Who were the other six THE MOGs?

It has also been claimed here that victor was "The 7th THE MOG." This would make Loy "The 8th THE MOG" because victor put oil on Loy's head -- OIL!

I ignore it all. Who says he is a MOG? He himself, that's who. Am I supposed to accept an engraved bracelet as supporting evidence for this self-referential claim? Didn't Jesus say something about calling someone your father?

Not a fallacy, but a weak reason for fixating belief. See Charles S. Peirce's The Fixation of Belief http://www.sophia-project.org/uploads/1/3/9/5/13955288/peirce_belief.pdf

Right. A veneer of credibility. As it has been objectively observed and stated many times. The second time established it.

To reiterate the conclusions of objective, independent investigations: Pikes Peak "seminary" was a real... place... with a real... street address to which a "student" might mail a check. It's a residential house. Pikes Peak had a photograph of a group of "graduates" or something. This photo hung on the wall. victor purchased a doctorate of theology (ThD) in homiletics -- preaching. victor did NOT attend classes. His engagement was mail order correspondence. victor claims he wrote his dissertation on Peter. A dissertation is a book written by the doctoral candidate. It is the culmination of exhaustive research to produce a wholly original work. A dissertation will not fit on a 3x5 card. No one has read victor's alleged dissertation. victor's motive for acquiring (a more accurate word than earning) his doctorate was to erect a veneer of credibility. Ironically, victor would go on to repeatedly disparage real scholars, researchers and academia in general, all the while insisting on his own flimsy, academic title.

Thanks, I'll check it out... or else will add it to the list...

Which structure will the younger generation not enforce?

I don’t know if it was so much wack-a-mole for the preacher as it was for the seminary. There was a movement. A trend. Increasingly, the clergy was becoming credentialed by academia. (This is not a bad thing.) But within this movement, were the hucksters, like VPW, appropriating this tactic of academic credentialing. New Thought is a separate movement, but connected, probably. Jihadist Christians and New Thought practitioners were reactionaries to a status quo. I don’t know if New Thought practitioners fetishized and coveted academic credentials quite like the jihadist Christian hucksters, like victor Paul wierwille.

I brought up this point earlier on a different thread, I think. It’s an important question to ask. What is the egalitarian nuclear model? The family? The failure to reinforce this model results in a dissolution of individualistic culture and a rejection of individual responsibility? Huxley? Orwell?

Social media (the internet?) certainly was very helpful to at least one would be dictator in recent years.

Did victor ever rewrite his dissertation for a general audience? I know scholars will occasionally do this. A dissertation is a scholarly book written for a scholarly audience -- it's highly technical and won't fit on a 3x5 card. Has anyone ever read victor's dissertation? I seem to remember James Tabor talking about a book that was essentially an expansion and rewrite of his dissertation, but written for a general audience. (I can't remember which book. It may be his latest Paul's Ascent to Paradise or else The Jesus Dynasty.)

Wrong. Again. It wasn't a PhD. It was a Thd. And it wasn't earned. Not REALLY. It was purchased. The reasons for purchasing this ThD were to manufacture credibility with his tithing dupes and to maintain a competitive edge among a rising tide of newly-credentialed charlatan preacher men. It's the same reason why so many MLB SUPERSTARS took PEDs -- to compete with everyone else jacked on roids.

then, Then, THEN! js

The "ministry" victor paul wierwille built. They aren't REALLY arguments. They are the conclusions of objective investigations. They go to the heart of victor paul wierwille's integrity. If he was misleading about these two facts, what else was he misleading about? Turns out he was misleading about oodles and oodles. l've posted all I know and care on the topic. Let those who want to know find out for themselves.

The huckster knows academic degrees boost credibility. Hucksters only need to be beleeeved for their tricks to work on dupes. The hilarious, twisted irony is victor loved to hate academia... all the while insisting on being called by his academic title.

All? ALL? Is that all without exception or all without distinction?