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George Type II B.S. Does not preclude Turkey LOL Just the stuffing and the pumpkin Pie... except in very small quantities... too small to be enjoyable in my opinion! Sending you hugs because I understand your frustration! We had the usual but Hubby's family has been getting one of those prepared dinners from the supermarket that you just heat up.. The good thing about it is that it has all real potatoes and gourmet green beans and a nice stuffing. I having the same problem as George... So I had the turkey... a little dollop of white potatoes and a larger dollop of sweet potatoes(they did not have marshmallows on them but an orange juice sauce instead) and lots of green beans. I skipped the stuffing and the rolls but I splurged on a small piece of pumpkin pie Minus the pie crust.. it was still quite yummy! Oh and I did have a handful of raw carrots from the relish tray. All in all a most satisfying dinner. Although i miss the stuffing.

Well so far I have about half the flower garden in winter beds of leaves.. Unlike you north easterners these are strictly for keeping the weeds at bay. IT is taking me forever because we had an Early big rain storm which gave me Weeds, lots of weeds... so now I am having to pull weeds before putting down the leaves which are of the fruitless mulberry tree type. I have never done this in my garden before but am hoping for great results. .. Usually I end up having to spend three or four weekends in the spring pulling up weeds that are five feet high and it is a lot of work and takes away from my time to plant. LOL any way I am hoping for improved soil and less weeding come spring. I had to pull out a large purple bush thing.. I never remember what it is but it is a drought tolerant thing and it got just huge and woody and was taking over and looking not so beautiful anymore actually had a lot of dead branches in it. I am assuming it will come back from the roots and if so i can trim it to grow in a more usable fashion. Some other flower finds.. the straggling Alaskan daisy that some how managed to not get eaten by gophers is doing very well and has managed to triple in size. I am debating moving it to a safer spot. And I have lemons... W00T... almost ripe on my lemon tree. Also weirdly we are having a bizarre fall blooming of the rose bushes... A sure sign we will be having a mild winter. I may take advantage of it to try and get some more delicate stuff in that just needs a strong root system to survive the colder normal winters. Still have a few tomatoes and still have a few peppers. and it is time to put up the greenhouse planting bed for some nice winter veggies and of course one bed of stuff that loves the winter and does not need to be covered over. Kimberly the sheep are pets LOL they are barbados Black bellies so they do not grow wool and supposed to be eatten for their superior meat flavor which i have heard is quite good but we will never know as we wont eat them.. THey keep my weeds at bay and the chickens I can not say enough good words about.. They give us fresh eggs eat lots of bugs and are just about as cute as possible... Bonus points for the manuer for the compost pile!

Well I had two healing incidents... not sure you want to hear them they are not big stuf and neither of us was an advanced class grad.. so the first one was a friend prayed for me... I had this HUGE cankor sore in my mouth... and I do mean huge it must have been almost the size of a dime, at the back of my mouth.. and it was incredibly painful and I was at a limb meeting and could not stand it any more I showed it to her and asked if she would please pray for me even if just to get the pain to stop.. so we stood in the hallway alone held hands she prayed for me and 30 minutes later I had no more pain and by about an hour later it was mostly healed. No more open wound no more pain. was it a coincidence and it was just going to heal itself.. I don't think so. I had had it for over a week and it just kept getting bigger. Do I have proof no.. and not for the next story either. this time one of the little boys in the children's fellowship I ran was getting sick probably just the flu the mom asked me to pray for him so we sat down she and I with her toddler and we prayed for him and the fever went away.. HE didn't get all sick... Was it a healing I don't know but I believe in both instances God healed me and the little boy. I didn't heal him and my friend didn't heal me God did... we just sat together and prayed together. Two like minded christians each time. and it was back in 1982... I do not know what the answer is I know what I saw in my life. but I find it interesting that TWI taught that we were doing the healing... Glad now I never took the advanced class so I didn't have to undo those lies. It is hard enough shaking off the other stuff they taught me.

Hi Soul Searcher Welcome to Grease Spot.

Hi Kimberly.... Well I went ahead and cleared out some of the weeds in the flower garden and bedded some of the vegetable garden Beds I am going to leave two of them open to garden in this winter. I am feeling every bit of that gardening this morning... I think my right hand and arm took the biggest beating.... 5 wheel barrels full of weeds and morning glory and Black berry brush and butterfly Bush for the Sheep They of course are happy... That was only one corner of the flower garden I am guessing there are at least five more wheel barrels but the rest of it can go on the mulch pile as it is just grasses and dead flower foliage and such.. I will have to work through the week to get it out so next weekend I can bed the rest of the flower garden While I have leaves falling to bed everything. I have of course one bed about ready to go IT needs the final touches. RumRunner You may already know this stuff but We got these two books on composting they are excellent. Let it Rot by Stu Campbell.... This one my Husband liked because it was very scientific. The Complete Compost Gardening Guide by Barbara Pleasant and Deborah Martin This one is touchy feely but it has compost pile types and what to mix with what to get the right type of break down... Like, I use shredded paper to mix with my chicken manure, and then when this is broken down, I mix it into my regular compost pile to help it heat up. Also there are cold and hot piles and how and why to use each kind... Edited to fix my spelling errors. And to say I missed all of you!

Potato I just thought I would add this to your arsenal of information This is a web site a dear friend of mine has ... her daughter has Asperger's pretty bad any way it is one more resource for you with recipes and that kind of thing. She is amazing and has done great work with her daughter who they are currently home schooling because of the difficulties from how her daughter was treated at school.Much of what has been said already. For them it was a good choice, but as she says each child is different and you have to try stuff till you find what works there is no one way to treat the condition.. anyway this is the website http://wogglebug.com/ It is also good if you are gluten intolerant because the recipes are gluten and casein free. This is something to do in conjunction with your doctor recommended medicines... it is a way to give your child a bit of relief and for you a place where you can find other people who know what you are going thru. any way I hope it helps you... and don't be afraid to email questions to them she and her husband are really dear hearts. and they have a teenager and have many suggestions and ideas for how to deal with some of the issues your child has that most people don't understand. http://wogglebug.com/ Hugs from me....

HI Old School.. Welcome to the grease spot.. I am so glad you found your way out. IT is all up hill from here.

I have lots of friends good or middling or just acquaintances... Mostly what makes a good friend is me being a good friend... and not expecting them to be perfect or at my beck and call.. I depend only on me... (lesson learned from growing up in an alcoholic home) In Twi I met a few really good people.. but I was not in one place long enough to make any real close friends... My WOW family certainly (But I was lucky to have a really awesome group of people)... but I have learned in life that day to day things change stuff happens people move in and out of your life. Sometimes you get lucky and some one comes into your life that is a really exceptional person that you love and would do most anything for and they will do most anything for you... I have a few of those friends and I have a few of the kind that are up for certain kinds of help and not others depending on their life .. the majority of my friends are just people that I enjoy being with.. And that really is how life is. I feel fortunate to have the few gems and I also feel lucky for the other close friends and for those whose company I enjoy, I feel like I have been blessed, to have known them all, they enrich my life and they are both online and not online. More important to me is how I treat all of them... certainly if some one is a jerk I don't hang out with them anymore. But when someone is your friend you try to understand their weaknesses and you hope they understand yours... I hope that in the end I have enriched their lives at least as much as they have mine.

HI All School has dragged me from all the things I love... gardening being one of them RumRunner Congrats on the new home.... You will have a blast. I look forward to hearing your garden adventures. I am winding down in the garden... I have not gotten a chance to plant any winter stuff yet.... and still there is more school work.. We had a very heavy rain which of course launched the winter weeds and grasses early and I do not have time to clean them out which sucks in a huge way but oh well I have 6 more weeks of school then I am throwing myself into the garden... okay into the weeding of the garden this year I am going to bed the flower garden in an effort to keep the weeds at bay... for us usually their biggest growing time is January through April or May. bedding involves copious amounts of fall leaves and maybe some hay as mulch! Our winter doesn't break the hay down so I may not use it. but it will do a great job on the leaves.

here is a more informative page http://www.aces.edu/counties/Marion/files/Potato.pdf I haven't grown these in my area before perhaps I need to give them a whirl this spring. I didn't realize they are drought tolerant. OF course my idea of drought tolerant is more stringent it needs to last at least a week with out water to make the grade for me and the longer it goes the better. I have found that they like warm days and cool nights it allows them to get huge. some varieties actually prefer it to blaizng hot.. this is sweet peppers by the way hot peppers prefer it hot .. the hotter the happer they are. Ours will grow till a really hard frost.

aparently they are all edible including the leaves. http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/edible/msg102305194656.html BTW there are many varieties of Sweet potatoe all different skin and flesh colors. I suspect the ornamental varieties are ornamental because they do not produce as many tubers as the ones grown for the potatoes themselves,

LOL I didn't pay attention and added my new votes in .. I was wow and way home and ran childrens fellowship and was a spouse Corps and for the record we were treated like we had to be better than Corps or whay were we married to Corps.. I felt it hurt my Hubby more than me... he was looked down on for marrying me even though I was a complete asset to twig and the Limb.. but what ever. We left when my Hubby decided he had had enough.. I said sure I was not too happy with some of the stuff I was seeing but what started it all was the night I turned to him and said... Sometimes I wish we didn't have to run a twig and nobody cared what we did .. That was for him all he needed to hear to give him the courage to ask me If I would leave with him.. I said yes and we have been living a better and better life every day And I am glad we left before POP or any of the other baloney that went on.

Also people do not be bop on here every day so you are only getting a small percentage and of that you are only seeing those who comment..I very inexact poll. In the short time I have been here I have met or read from all kinds of people who got involved at different times and all different ages but I also know that the greatest number of TWI converts was in the 70's and 80's and a large proportion of them left at the end of the 80's and twi has had a slow and steady decline since then.

Hi Beanaboos welcome!!! Hmm the red book must have come out after spring of 83... that is when I left and i taught Childrens' fellowship in our area for, fall of 81 and all of 82 and at that time there was no Children's fellowship materials at all.. so I made all my own and patterned my meetings like the sunday schools I grew up in we had a begining and ending prayer, sang songs and had a little teaching and a craft or game. we always met while twig was going on.. and I hated when the Limb leader wanted us to quit because our children should be out in the regular twigs.. they hated it and so did I we had a lot more fun and learned a lot more than the adults.I do know that the Childrens fellowship leaders at head quarters were working on something that was supposed to come out at some point but not sure when and that may have been the reason they stopped my fellowship. They were going to have some set guidelines from head quarters. also I was a bit of a rebel so the Limb Leader may have thought I was not teaching them TWI doctrine. Hard to say. I agree though leaving when your parents did and not being around for when the proverbial dung hit the fan would have shielded them from all the evilness of TWI and VP.. I was like that I came to GSC and learned a lot.. IT really helped me add two and two together on a few issues that I did not understand and made sense of some stuff I saw but only had scant knowledge of. IT also helped me understand what happened to some people near and dear to my heart. but mostly it got me to really question what TWI was and How it fit into the cult category. Leaving when they did they did not have the constraints that came for the people who stayed after. They would be like me assuming TWI was just misunderstood. Anyway Hugs and welcome to the Cafe!

Yeah I am thinking Colorado Springs but there was no dog or dog crate on top and that picture doesn't really look like the bike I remember but then LOL I do have a faulty memory. I am guessing it was not the gunnisontrip... it was a gift. I remember that, a gift from the corps. And IT had to be in Colorado springs or between springs and Denver. I mostly remember my car being needed for several out of town trips. IT was a quick trip up to see him and the misses as they were passing thru or taking off from being in Colorado. NOT that it really matters but I wondered if it was the twig hopper or some other motorcycle as it sounded like he had more than one/

Okay this is one of those things I never understood.. THe entire time I was in TWI and honestly I still do not get, We were not to sing certain songs because they were off the word yet other songs were fine.. example Yes you can sing Old rugged cross but nothing else with Cross in it. What was that all about?

THis is probably a stupid question and maybe Hap4me can answer it as he is in the right local. OR maybe someone else but I remember the time I went to the Gunnison ranch in June? July ? of 79 that VP and the Misses were standing around by (I am assuming the twig hopper) It was a Brown? Maybe Maroon? Motorcycle with side car and I think a mini trailer but I could be wrong about the trailer they were supposedly riding around to the twigs wait maybe to the main area leaders homes. We may have been out side of Colorado Springs too on a separate trip from Gunnison but I could of sworn it was the time we went to Gunnison.. we were standing around by or near the highway praying. Sorry I am so muddled on it.. but it was when I was working full time and going to Business school full time and it was a long long time ago. Any way was that the twig hopper or some other special motorcycle? Okay and well to be honest I didn't have a clue at that time I was supposed to think VP was the end all and be all. Silly me.

My first ROA 1979. There was this girl, very pretty and well put together. I think she was all of 5'2" any way she spent the entire ROA in her itty bitty teeny weeny bikini. It was entertaining

Hmm good question Twinky. well for me it took a long time and it was a step by step process... I guess if I had actually known I needed to wowrk on it it would have been faster.. but a couple things .. College as an adult has been probably the most helpful I took this class on how to research on the internet and it forever changed the way I interpret stuff. I don't mean just internet stuff but books I read now and when I listen to some ones speech. Newspaper articles Radio talk shows and television shows even the ones I just watch for enjoyment. We were taught to look for certain things when we went to a website. NO particular order of importance. 1 Who Wrote it 2 Why did they write it 3 How does the information benefit them 4 Are they selling something. 5 Who is their message to 6 Who is reading that message. 7 Who is repeating what they say 8 What are their credentials 9 Does the information benefit me and if so how? Another lesson I learned on a radio talk show.. IT was the only one I could really ever listen to..because the guy actually properly debated issues with his callers. Any way I would be going to pick up my girls from High school and his show was on so I would listen while I waited for them One day he was going to be discussing a very controversial issue and he told the listeners what a proper debate really was supposed to be like. each side tells what their idea is.. with out interruption then they discuss not yell out what is right or wrong. point by point. It was the first time I realized you could talk to someone with completely opposing ideas and share what you each believe in a friendly atmosphere, and that it was not only okay but preferable to listen to each other because each person would come to a better understanding of the issue. another thing that helped my critical thinking skills was having teenagers.. you can not just tell them no, you have to know why you are saying no, or yes or for that matter why they need to make their bed, or do the dishes... Okay and this is my new one I am learning .. IT is reading with a pencil in my hand.. reading and stopping to consider what is actually being said whether I am just trying to figure out where the writer is trying to lead me or just trying to organize my own thoughts about a subject, and not being afraid to mark in my books. IT is a way of tearing apart what a person is saying and digesting it and mulling it over... questioning it! One of the biggest problems I have regarding TWI is sometimes reconciling what TWi was to me with the reality of what TWI really was. So I sit and remind myself who wrote it , what his credentials were, why he wrote it, why he taught it. and what it did to other people , and what it did to me. I think now one of the biggest problems i learned from TWI was just accepting information.. I didn't question it.. at first I did but as time went on I stopped trying .. IT was too hard of a battle with all around me. so i gave up.. Maybe if I had been older it would have ....ed me off and I would have just walked away. The most important lesson I have learned in College.. just because some one wrote it doesn't make it true and just because someone has a degree doesn't make what they say correct.. you have to really take information you receive and consider the source and the intent of it.. and even the logic of it and the probability of it being true or correct. Information is to be mulled over examined from every angle and considered.

Hmmm I haven't gotten that email yet... Rats I feel deprived.

WB I am thinking this may be the true test of our friendship. But one of the many lessons I have learned thru the years is most people who are friends are really just "friends" IT is the rare person who comes into your life and really is interested and concerned for you.. and would go out of their way to help you. I have had several true friends and have a couple of them that I see every day. I am hoping that her walk as a Christian is bigger than that. So if this should turn out badly I will be okay WG. IT makes perfect sense.. and well I find it interesting that people really just want to learn about God's word and prefer studying it to some ones take on it all. The trouble is it is difficult to find that. I firmly believe that is the biggest reason most folks got involved with TWI in the first place, they thought they were really going to learn to read and understand the bible. VP hid his true agenda behind lots of bible verses. I still wish TWI had actually been what it sold itself as being. Now that I am older I realize how unrealistic that would be, But I still wish it.

Yeah I caught that the first night. IT is a case of what she thinks I need healing from and what I am trying to work on in my life right now. I have done nothing but think about it since I posted and you answered. I have the booklet and I am going to spend time this weekend going all the way through the exercises to the end to see what is intended. I am at this point just sticking my toe in.. IF it really looks like it is going to get too invasive I will pull out. Before I go any further in. I just do not want another TWI experience, even if it is not so invasive.. Even though my time in was not as horrific as others I came away from it with some real hurts .. IT took me along time to realize God loved me whether I was in TWI or some where else.. and a long to to get over the guilt of leaving our TWIG. That first lesson DVD for this class though is just creepy... I thought it so reminded me of TWI .. which is why I posted on here. WG I really can not thank you enough for all your input. Also Once I review it all I think I will post what I see on here just in case anyone else has questions about it. It is their newest class since the other two, "the purpose driven life" and "the purpose driven church". They encourage you to go threw it a t the same time as the class but I am not a lamb to be led to the slaughter anymore.

Sometimes when I read stuff on GSC i realize how very lucky we were to leave when we did. This is one of those things.. there was no mandatory twigs or branch meetings yet perse.. there was some encouragement(preasure) to come but not this mandated you will go on this date at this time etc.. but that is only becasue I think they hadn't gotten to the point that they were.. IT was certainly headed that way out west I imagine back east it was already beginning to be completely overbearing.

Chereanne Thank you for posting that video I only got to watch it for a little bit I am gonna watch the rest later.. IT is very very helpful

Watered Garden.. Thanks so much... I found the threads-- Good info on the books and insight, and both pros and cons about the teachings... and if they were helpful and what was not helpful. Edited to add Really thank you because forewarned is forearmed. I have avoided joining any small group, This is one of those situations were I may or may not stick it out. I do have the excuse of an overload of school to fall back on as the couple running it are friends... and I can see they have bought into the whole program.. . I will never again fully buy any program. so yeah... and I am already un comfortable with it. I will say this it so far seems to be about finding healing for past hurts but I have this sneaking suspicion it is all about getting new people into their church. I have no interest in joining their fundamentalist church... so I am probably just "Dead wood"(twi slang not their term) anyway.