WordWolf

When addressing the corps privately, vpw casually dismissed the actual dangers of hitchhiking- AFTER at least one LEAD participant was raped. He pointed out you could get raped anywhere (he named a few nearby locations). Since it was POSSIBLE to be raped anywhere, he saw no reason to reduce the risk of rape ANYWHERE. BTW, that's legally-actionable. If you run a program like this, in the eyes of US law, you are de facto claiming to the public that you can SAFELY run such a program and are legally responsible to minimize risks reasonably. You have a FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY to keep the participants safe. Your contract with them implies you will keep them REASONABLY SAFE. I know we've always had a vpw defender or 2 who claimed ridiculous things about that, so I will explain in simple terms that even they can understand- even though they will work hard to misunderstand them anyway. Let's say you want to do a "lightbearers" type of witnessing thing in the program. You're expected to have a safe environment for them to act in, and to monitor them and the situation in case there's some unforeseen problem that looms up - even if it's bad weather or a biker gang or something. This does NOT mean "So you bring shotguns for witnessing on the off-chance a biker gang comes around", nor does it mean "So you pack emergency supplies for every possible type of weather event"= although carrying SOME is a good idea, but monitoring the weather is a better one. So, what do you do if your plan of having them witness in a known crack neighborhood backfires? Trick question! You do NOT do a STUPID thing like that! No non-twi or non-extwi program plans things that stupid! Those are OBVIOUS dangers. So the vpw slave asks, snarkily, what you do to teach them believing. (This came up before in response.) It's rather sad but typical that such a person can't imagine a SAFE activity to teach believing or to get someone to "exercise" believing- as if it requires danger to life-or-limb to practice that. Any sensible group provides transportation for their own planned events- except twi, but I did say "SENSIBLE" so I already excluded them. So, no hitchhiking whatsoever, and if something like the LEAD rock-climbing is done, it's done with plenty of professionals overseeing each group, with plenty of safety gear, and OVER-emphasis on the proper gear and not climbing in dangerous weather. We had a horror story of a climbing group that was told to climb in dangerously cold weather. One participant had family that was familiar with travel in freezing weather, and made sure she prepared for subzero outdoor conditions. So, she was the ONLY person in the group that was WELL prepared for such an unsafe climb. She reported how another participant, one who had followed twi's instructions for prepping boots for the cold, had suffered frostbite as a result and severed her own toes on one foot to be able to complete the program. Anywhere outside twi, that sounds completely crazy. Inside twi world, we know that wasn't an outrageous claim because ridiculous things endangered participants' lives all the time. Someone else here REFUSED to blame twi for a vehicle accident. Coming back from LEAD, his group was REQUIRED to operate their vehicle in unsafe winds, ad unsafe speeds, and REQUIRED to get their evaluations done in transit- which distracted the driver. They had a truck that was dragging a trailer hitch on a highway in heavy winds. The trailer contained HUMANS who were not secured in place. When a crosswind hit that insane rig, the entire vehicle-hitch combo was flung in the wind and spun over. People were horribly injured- as if they'd been walking a highway and hit by a car traveling at highway speeds. Any program from groups NOT twi would consider the entire setup INSANE. You don't force people to travel in bad weather when they're safe right where they are. IF they are to travel. they are expected to travel at a safer speed, not pretend they're on a normal highway on a normal day. Finally, the people would be in a safe vehicle- like a passenger van or even an old school bus, and not something that was bound to deflect the wind. The only thing I blame the driver for is agreeing to be in a twi program, since twi dictated all the unsafe things about the incident, and would have kicked out the driver if he'd actually acted safely. What kind of organization puts its people at risk of loss of life or limb? Obviously one where human life is seen as EXPENDABLE and the participants are seen as DISPOSABLE. That's twi as vpw made it, and as practiced when lawyers don't force changes. What does it say about your supposed church group when the only times it reduces risks to its people are when its lawyers say they HAVE TO and have NO CHOICE?

NO. Seriously? At this rate, you'll end up having to be your own best friend, as if you were half dog and half man or something. (BTW, Mrs Wolf looked over the quotes, and got it at "We ain't found $h1t!" I thought that was a giveaway line, also.)

Did Raf say something? I can´t hear him over my vacuum cleaner.

Seriously? I´m just short of including cast names by now!

Is this "YOU SHOOK ME ALL NIGHT LONG"? (AC/DC, I think.)

I get a little lost sometimes, also. However, I'm not awful with The Doors nor Jefferson Airplane, at least with their hits (more The Doors than JA).

"I know we need the money, but... " "Listen! We're not just doing this for money!....We're doing it for a $H!T LOAD of money! " "Good. Well why don't we take a five minute break?" "Very good, Sir." "Smoke if you got'em." "When?" "Just now." "When will then be now?" "Soon." "How soon?" "Grab him some water!" "Water, my @$$! Bring this guy some Pepto-Bismol!" "Okay. We'll have to set her down. Prepare for an emergency landing. Quick, give me a reading!" "Our Father, who art in Heaven, hallowed by Thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done... " "Will you stop that?" "We're done with you. Go back to the golf course and work on your putts." "Man, we ain't found $h1t!" " Hello my baby, hello my honey, hello my ragtime gal! Send me your kiss by wire, baby my heart's on fire! If you refuse me honey you'll lose me then you'll be left alone, oh baby telephone and tell me I'm your own! " "I knew it. I'm surrounded by @$$holes! Keep firing, @$$holes!" "I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate." "What's that make us?" "Absolutely nothing! Which is what you are about to become." "Begin the metamorphosis! Kafka?" "They've gone to plaid!"

WW has no answer.

That´s him.

"I know we need the money, but... " "Listen! We're not just doing this for money!....We're doing it for a $H!T LOAD of money! " "Good. Well why don't we take a five minute break?" "Very good, Sir." "Smoke if you got'em." "When?" "Just now." "When will then be now?" "Soon." "How soon?" "Grab him some water!" "Water, my @$$! Bring this guy some Pepto-Bismol!" "Okay. We'll have to set her down. Prepare for an emergency landing. Quick, give me a reading!" "Our Father, who art in Heaven, hallowed by Thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done... " "Will you stop that?" "We're done with you. Go back to the golf course and work on your putts." "Man, we ain't found $h1t!" " Hello my baby, hello my honey, hello my ragtime gal! Send me your kiss by wire, baby my heart's on fire! If you refuse me honey you'll lose me then you'll be left alone, oh baby telephone and tell me I'm your own! "

I get the feeling you know the movie but recognizable lines are slipping past you. Mrs Wolf would have gotten it by now, and this isn't her genre.

Phil MItchell William Annand Dabney MacConkel Tom Rolands Ken McCready Rod Murphy Barney Hannah Arthur Phipps Brad Gordon Fred Staines Hal Warren Frank Mason George Spencer Gordon MacHeath Bill Collins John Grisham Lawrence Tobin Walter Brocken Clive Chives Barney Fredericks Damon Warwick Archie MacPherson Gaspar dÁnnard Commander Canarvin Rudy Fresno Robert April Fred Baxter Bruce MacFarland Dr John Wilson Lieutenant Arex Montgomery Scott

When the truth is found to be lies, and all the joy within you dies"

I agree with you about "Who's Nect" and äqualung". I'm more familiar with The Doors by their catalog than which song is on what album, but I know enough to know you just mentioned "L.A. WOMAN" and then quoted from it. I heard that Jim Morrison had to be re-interred. He was buried in a cemetery in France, but partiers kept visiting his grave and partying, leaving a mess behind for the groundskeepers to clean up, so they said he couldn't stay anymore. "How big a party animal do you have to be to be thrown out of places decades after you die?"

Officer and a Gentleman Richard Gere First Knight

BTW, is Legends bothering you because they're getting fluffy and silly? Because that was the one thing I prefer about Legends when all the other shows got moody and stuff. Was that the same trailer from the end of CoIE with the same green, glowing object?

That tune is obviously a big deal for twi. The commercial showed ads for the song with its name on them. They probably shelled out good money for the melody- and probably for the instrumental track as well- then added the corny lyrics, had twi people sing it, and have twi people pretend to play it. That's far more likely than the possibility that they actually have that much talent remaining on staff. So, fake musicians, fake numbers of people, and especially fake numbers of YOUNG people. This commercial was more to snow the remaining young people they had that they weren't a faded minority and that they'd meet other youngsters if they went on staff. Without naive, impressionable youngsters to replace the aging staff, they won't be able to handle upkeep without paying outsiders- and that would take actually paying money, which they really, really don't want to do. twi has always spent its PEOPLE rather than its MONEY, because they consider its people to be used no matter what they say to their faces.

It's rather obvious to us that it's exactly what they did. Otherwise, far too many things make no sense- like why do they employ as staff a bunch of YOUNG CHILDREN? The shirts seem designed for this commercial specifically- with "STAFF" in big letters and the organization name almost missing from the shirt. There was a LOT of fake expressions there- but I found Vern's wooden, hollow delivery worse than any of them. He couldn't have sounded more like he was reading from a script or teleprompter if he had been trying to sound fake.

He was. He did. He was. Those 2 roles were, all the others were not, IIRC.

Phil MItchell William Annand Dabney MacConkel Tom Rolands Ken McCready Rod Murphy Barney Hannah Arthur Phipps Brad Gordon Fred Staines Hal Warren Frank Mason George Spencer Gordon MacHeath Bill Collins John Grisham Lawrence Tobin Walter Brocken Clive Chives Barney Fredericks Damon Warwick Archie MacPherson Gaspar dÁnnard Commander Canarvin Rudy Fresno Robert April Fred Baxter Bruce MacFarland Dr John Wilson Lieutenant Arex

No, nobody with quite as much universal name recognition. BTW, I was surprised you didn't comment on someone with the role of "Robert April." I would have thought it would have rung a bell and raised at least one question.

"I know we need the money, but... " "Listen! We're not just doing this for money!....We're doing it for a $H!T LOAD of money! " "Good. Well why don't we take a five minute break?" "Very good, Sir." "Smoke if you got'em." "When?" "Just now." "When will then be now?" "Soon." "How soon?" "Grab him some water!" "Water, my @$$! Bring this guy some Pepto-Bismol!" "Okay. We'll have to set her down. Prepare for an emergency landing. Quick, give me a reading!" "Our Father, who art in Heaven, hallowed by Thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done... " "Will you stop that?" "We're done with you. Go back to the golf course and work on your putts." "Man, we ain't found $h1t!"

Phil MItchell William Annand Dabney MacConkel Tom Rolands Ken McCready Rod Murphy Barney Hannah Arthur Phipps Brad Gordon Fred Staines Hal Warren Frank Mason George Spencer Gordon MacHeath Bill Collins John Grisham Lawrence Tobin Walter Brocken Clive Chives Barney Fredericks Damon Warwick Archie MacPherson Gaspar dÁnnard Commander Canarvin Rudy Fresno Robert April Fred Baxter Bruce MacFarland Dr John Wilson[/b]

"I know we need the money, but... " "Listen! We're not just doing this for money!....We're doing it for a $H!T LOAD of money! " "Good. Well why don't we take a five minute break?" "Very good, Sir." "Smoke if you got'em." "When?" "Just now." "When will then be now?" "Soon." "How soon?" "Grab him some water!" "Water, my @$$! Bring this guy some Pepto-Bismol!" "Okay. We'll have to set her down. Prepare for an emergency landing. Quick, give me a reading!" "Our Father, who art in Heaven, hallowed by Thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done... " "Will you stop that?" "We're done with you. Go back to the golf course and work on your putts."

The latter.