WordWolf

"He played it left hand. But made it too far. Became the special man." "Like a leper messiah. When the kids had killed a man I had to break up the band."

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"He played it left hand. But made it too far. Became the special man."

Was JOAN CUSACK in all those movies? I'm having trouble picturing any other woman from "Addams Family Values" showing up in the other movies.

Rachel Weisz The Mummy Brendan Fraser

Danny Aiello was one person who covered "Chubby Clementine." Until now, I hadn't realized it used the same tune as "My Darling Clementine."

The office in Payne, Ohio is supposedly where he kept considering whether to quit as a minister in his first 2 years of that career. It's supposedly where he told God that he'd quit if he didn't have some definite answers he could rely on. Supposedly, that's when he got the 1942 promise (which, obviously, was a lie because it failed on many levels.) Either the next day or the next instant (his accounts varied) he asked God to confirm this with the snow. Supposedly, the view out the window was completely blocked by snow, either completely black or completely white (his accounts varied.) As for SIT, all of his accounts trace that to the convention where he claimed the other snow job, and JE Stiles working with him for hours (like one does with a remedial student as opposed to someone exceptional who may need a few minutes.)

I'm just curious- does anyone else wonder if the twi cadre is so clueless, so out-of-touch with reality that they think their escapees are just waiting for an excuse to come running back to twi?

It's funny how nobody wants to mention the GSC, but everybody reads it and know everybody else reads it. -JAL advertised to us and commented to us, but refused to mention us BY NAME or to officially tell his people to post his correspondence to here. Also, when he deleted his letters to twi from his website, we reprinted them here. They reappeared on his website shortly thereafter. -When twi announced they were kicking Mrs Wierwille out of her home and putting her in a nursing home, the announcement arrived here and the outrage began. twi INSISTED their reply be allowed to be posted here. -Rosa-lie has had a staffer print out threads from here for her to read as hard-copies, which is rather inefficient. -When Bob wrote about "what's wrong with twi?", the answers could have come straight from GSC posts- and all or some of them almost certainly did so.

C) The alleged promise was based on ignorance. twi's system shares a trait with some of the extwi systems- they're Gnostic systems based on secret knowledge. The twi system-which was vpw's system, set up by him and used by him all the time- was that study of the verses was the key to God (plus the "Law of Believing"),. So, the more you study the verses, the more "godly" you can become, especially if you study it the twi way. We've all seen far too many horror stories of twi "masters" who partly memorized vpw/twi materials and were bigger schmucks if anything. Geer spent hours going over vpw's teachings in between drugging women for vpw to rape and preparing to throw himself over vpw as a human shield if anyone tried to shoot him. But, let's expose the IGNORANCE in the alleged "promise." How DID the 1st century Christian church know God's Word? They knew the Torah/Old Testament. They knew the SPOKEN word, They knew The Word BY EXPERIENCE AND POWER. Think about it. They were getting converts left and right while being a disciple was ILLEGAL and punished by imprisonment, murder, or both. They got LOTS of converts with that going on. No amount of charismatic demagoguery can make up for the risk of being killed or imprisoned. You might get a few disaffected outsiders. Saul of Tarsus joined them - a former persecutor and murderer of Christians (he didn't put his hand on the knife, but he ordered it done.) Did the Greeks hear good speeches then run out and conclude that their gods walked among them and prepared to offer blood sacrifices? They SAW something. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. However, provide the extraordinary proof, and the claims stop looking extraordinary-at least in comparison to the proof. The 1st century Christians preached-but were known because they had power and could deliver where they spoke. Lots of people preached and didn't get significant converts. Theirs was a pragmatic, direct, power-based ministry. twi was never that. They were study-based, and TALKED ABOUT power lots of times, then considered "Kojacking" a significant witness of "power." 1st century Christians were never centrally-controlled nor organized. twi bore no resemblance to 1st century Christianity except where twi CLAIMED they did. But all the claims don't mean reality matches a claim. The 1st century Christians probably didn't have access to the entire New Testament ANYWHERE. All documents had to be hand-copied. With no printing press and no scanners and PDFs, that was a laborious process and few copies circulated for the 1st century AD (certainly relative to now.) So, twi has NEVER had "The Word as it was known in the 1st Century." because vpw NEVER had "The Word as it was known in the 1st Century." vpw might have known that when he phrased the promise he was supposedly given, but he skipped over "Church history". So, he was likely to make such a mistake where God Almighty would not. vpw made up the alleged 1942 promise. and it's easy to show all the errors. There was no such promise. There's no real, sensible reason to laud vpw or "his" books. They don't comprise "revelation."

B) The alleged promise was a lie. Supposedly, God Almighty promised He would teach like it hadn't been known since the 1st century AD. If this were true, there would be a complete disconnect with what was being taught and known elsewhere in 1942 EVERYWHERE and what vpw later taught (because we know he taught others.) However, even those who idolize vpw agree that the material he taught was already taught by others. A paper trail can be traced for virtually all the twi material vpw taught. vpw took Leonard's class, and a few months later, taught 100% of the same material. vpw bought Stiles' book, then typed up a book with the contents- later adding the contents of books by Bullinger to flesh it out more. And so on. So, either God Almighty lied when giving this promise, someone else claiming to be God lied and vpw couldn't tell the difference between a lying spirit and God Almighty, or vpw lied and nobody promised him at all.

Every now and again, someone still claims that pfal and twi were special. Their reason for this is the claim that vpw was special. Their reason for this is the 1942 promise. vpw claimed he received a promise from God Almighty in 1942, and he used this claim to justify thinking of "his" books and classes to akin to the Bible itself. The supposition that pfal was of significant long-term benefit hangs primarily on the alleged "1942 promise." That promise, as stated by vpw, was that God spoke audibly to vpw, and promised that God Almighty would teach vpw God's Word like it hadn't been known since the first century (AD) if vpw would teach it to others. vpw supposedly asked God to confirm this by a miraculous snowstorm. All right, how many ways can we show this 1942 promise failed? We've done it lots of times before, this is mostly compilation. A) The miraculous snowstorm never happened. There was NO report of actual snow anywhere near where this allegedly happened. When it supposedly happened, he didn't even tell his own wife it happened. Come on, that would have been the first words out of any spouse's mouth that evening. ("Honey, you'll never believe what happened to me today...") He never claimed it until decades later. He couldn't keep the details of the miraculous event straight, even. When he first began making this claim, he said the sky looked BLACK with all the heavy snow. This, BTW, isn't what it looks like for even the heaviest snow. Later-probably because he learned that doesn't happen- he switched to saying the sky was WHITE with snow. I'm sure details can get lost over time, but if a miraculous event that turns the sky all one color, you'd at least remember the color. Finally, this wasn't the only time vpw claimed a miraculous snowstorm. In fact, he did it whenever it was convenient. When he added special significance to the minister's conference where he met Stiles, vpw claimed that the entire city was snowed in completely. He was unable to get out because planes, trains and buses were all stopped due to heavy snow conditions, a blizzard. This was a rather big lie, and one that was check-able. When someone spoke to him about it, he didn't say "I was there and saw the snow and walked in it, check again", he immediately switched his story to prevent trying to contradict the weather report. He immediately began claiming the snow was an angelic apparition- angels made him see snow that wasn't there, and when he phoned transit places, angels answered the phone and lied to him. (He would rather have us think angels lied than that he lied.) In reality, not even a single FLAKE fell from the sky in that city that day, and the temperature didn't reach freezing. This wasn't the last time vpw made up a convenient snowstorm, even. A poster here once noted that vpw was supposed to visit their area. Instead, he phoned and said that he WANTED to fly there, but he was located at a bad snowstorm and he was told it was unsafe. The poster checked the weather in vpw's area at the time, and there was neither snow nor storms predicted. So, the entire snow part was a lie. Without that, there's no 1942 promise. However, even if it was possible for there to have been a snowstorm (it's not possible), the other problems with his story would be enough to discredit it. There WAS no 1942 promise. vpw was NEVER some great one. pfal was NEVER some great class nor great study materials. It was all built up as a con-and not the most secure con, either. It needed lots of outside help to prop it up.

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"Ladies and gentlemen, we are gathered here today to get through this thing called 'life'."

"Mother's Little Helper" (The Rolling Stones)

I think it's embarrassing that you're making your case with links that point out the risks of vaccination are minimal compared to risks of refusing vaccination. Courtesy of your own link: On the risks of side-effects to Moderna- "It added: 'The risk of being affected is very small.' "'These are typically mild cases and individuals tend to recover within a short time following standard treatment and rest,' they wrote. " " Heart inflammation is also a symptom of many viral infections like COVID-19, though, and the likelihood of developing the inflammation after infection is much higher than it is after vaccination. " So, the experts didn't say to leave kids unvaccinated. They said "they will be offered the Pfizer-BioNTech immunization instead. " "Norway, another Nordic country, has not taken as drastic action as its neighbors, with health officials urging people under 30 to opt for the Pfizer vaccine instead. " So, the risk is small, and the solution was to give kids a different vaccine. Thank you for posting another article showing that people are a lot safer taking the vaccines than skipping the vaccines.

Courtesy of your very own link: "Fewer than one in a million doses have led to deaths in Australia. Meanwhile, at the time of publication on 2 September, 1012 people had died from COVID in Australia from 56,212 confirmed cases (1.8 per 100)." In plain English, there's always a tiny risk of doing ANYTHING- including staying at home and 'doing nothing.' A SENSIBLE person plays the odds and minimizes risks SENSIBLY. Let's see, get COVID and risk of death is 1.8% in Australia right now. Get the vaccine and the risk of death is BELOW 0.00001% in Australia. Seriously, any look at the odds would tell you to get the vaccine- including your own link!

BTW, Biblically, the idea that it's not "alive" or "a baby" until 9 months in, when he takes his first breath, is off by at least 3 months. https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/24071-when-is-it-a-person-when-is-it-alive/ "When is it a person? When is it alive?" In the New Testament, vpw hung his "explanation" on a single, mistranslated verse, where Jesus Christ, before his birth, was supposedly called a "holy THING." An honest look shows that this word "thing" was only translated "thing" in that spot, and was a person everywhere else - a "holy one." It's obvious if you check the Greek. It's obvious if you check all the other usages of the same word with a Concordance. It's obvious if you check ALL THE OTHER ENGLISH VERSIONS. Even the NEW KJV doesn't use the word "thing" there. As for what we DO know, in Luke 1, we have a 3rd trimester ( 6 months in development) "BABY" (check the Greek, it's clearly "baby"-but usually "infant" or "young child" in other usages) who has EMOTIONS and responses. It's incredibly rare to see people trying to push this "first breath" doctrine of vpw, and, as we all know, it was remarkably self-serving. To vpw, children were an inconvenience on many levels. First, believers with kids weren't free to move if he told them to move, because they had a responsibility. Second, kids cost money, and vpw wanted all that money to come to him (indirectly to him via twi, from which he could raid the slush fund if it couldn't be untraceable cash in his hand- which it often WAS!) So, just like in his own life where he passed off raising children AND dogs for others to do the work, vpw didn't want twi'ers to have kids, especially if they weren't good little robots.

Someone brought up this subject...

It doesn't even show an understanding of what the things are for- which is MAKING OTHER PEOPLE SAFE.

Then that's two of you. The original purpose is still being discussed, and there's more being compared and contrasted at the same time. Threads take on a life of their own, and that's hardly news.

Few of us are so thick that we can't see that these were unacceptable and mean-spirited, and unhealthy.

Did one of my posts get eaten yesterday? What twi did was to have people who were lock-step with them until one day they disagreed- then twi immediately went in to hatchet jobs, slandering their reputations, screaming about them, and trying to ruin their lives while ostracizing them. If twi was to be believed, those people were model twi'ers until the day they left- when they suddenly became villains of the deepest dye who must be avoided at all costs. (That's more or less what the other post said.)

Your original post- and the thread- was posted/begin right now SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE of one person. Please don't pretend it was an amazing coincidence. We've been discussing the difference between what twi did and what we consider appropriate for the entire length of the thread. It's not "all about" JAL any more than it's "all about" twi's former practices of the hatchet job at the microphone.