WordWolf

A) It's affecting 1 in 50,000, as your link pointed out. That's still more than I'd like, but the risks of Covid are far, far greater than the risks of that clotting. How great is that risk? The odds of being hit by lightning sometime in my lifetime are 1 in 15,300. So, I'm almost 4x as likely to be hit by lightning in my lifetime as get the clotting problem- if I took the Astrazeneca or the Moderna vaccines. As I took neither, I'm neither sweating out the clotting nor the lightning. B) According to your own link, they're not sure what's causing the clotting. According to you, you've got it figured out. You should notify the scientists you're ahead of them and help them out. "Despite fervent work by researchers such as Nicolson, the mechanism that links the vaccines and VITT is still uncertain. Establishing a mechanism could reveal ways to prevent and treat the condition, and improve the design of future vaccines."

This one has already saved a LOT of lives. Actually, the Spanish Flu seems to have been too early in our preventative medicine cycle to have gotten a timely vaccination- too hard to identify with the tools of a century ago. If they'd somehow had a shot as "ineffective" as ANY of the current Covid shots, the public would have jumped at it, and rightly so.

Out in the world, there's doctors who have been working on this for DECADES. They've been trading information, and updating what they know. They've found a handful of partial successes, and qualified them carefully. So far, globally, this has been the only known case where there's no qualification. That's why she's from Argentina, she's being treated in Boston, and you're in Australia reading about it. It's news because it's so singularly significant. So, if you had money on that bet, you'd lose.

Some highlights from that linked article: "Walensky also noted that the risk of hospitalizations and death is still greatest for those who are unvaccinated." "'Studies show that those who are unvaccinated continue to be more likely to be infected, more likely to be in the hospital and more likely to have severe complications from COVID-19,' she said during the briefing." As for the fully-vaccinated getting Covid, what did Fauci actually say? "'It's a significant proportion, but not the majority by any means.' " So, yes, get those boosters. Decrease your risks as much as possible.

In all of the history of HIV, a single woman's immune system managed to overcome HIV completely, and no reason why seems evident. Lots and lots of people have died of HIV (co-morbidities), and lots of people are alive and taking medication which is keeping them alive and functioning. There's always some sort of odd outlier with anything. I'm unclear what's so amazing about the immune system if this is any standard to go by. Actually, I'm less-impressed than I was before I opened the link.

According to your linked article, the Spanish Flu took a heavy toll on the young and healthy specifically because it caused immune systems to overreact, which meant that healthy people with healthy immune systems were WORSE HIT since their "healthy" immune systems overreacted more, which was a greater risk to the person. I'm not quite sure what points about the immune system one can draw from this, but if I were struggling through the Spanish Flu's time, I'd be trying to get the vaccine as fast as I could and hoping my immune system wouldn't react like a healthy person's to the illness.

For those who have no idea what Allan's talking about, I'll translate: "experimental drug" - all the different forms of vaccines formulated, made and distributed around the world, from a variety of countries "because the Government told you to"- all the dialogues around the world between elected officials and the public, including health officials, all from countries that normally disagree on everything "disregard all the side effects (including deaths) and unknown mid-to long-term debilitating effects"- the few known dangers for a few people getting vaccinated (as always happens) is far more dangerous than the far greater risks of death or permanent injury from getting Covid because Allan says so "just so you can 'be part of the crowd' or 'peer pressure' or a 'misguided sense of duty to fellow man" - paying attention to the medical experts and understanding them and agreeing, rather than bucking the establishment because it's the establishment and following the secret knowledge like Allan "I don't see how this topic could be uplifting in any way regardless" - decreasing the body counts doesn't matter much "It really could be a matter of life or death, just exactly whose, we'll have to wait it out"- let's ignore all the stats that say that the innoculated survive Covid at greater rates than the uninnoculated and claim all the facts aren't in when plenty are in and conclusions can already be drawn as to whether the vaccines are safer than the illness "I'm just glad I don't have to go to bed at night worried if some of those spike proteins are going to turn on my own bodies immune system after the 1st or 2nd or third or fourth or fifth or sixth jab !! " - I'm glad none of us have to worry about that, since it's a make-believe illness based on a misunderstanding of the biology. I'm also glad I don't have to go to bed at night worried about catching the gol-bloots from the hind legs of the boo-shoo bird. The world I live in doesn't even superficially resemble the world Allan thinks he sees. Then again, my world overcame the Spanish Flu, I don't know what the story is in his world.

"There is nothing more elusive than an obvious fact." "Whatever he was working on, he obviously succeeded." "How do you know?" "Otherwise, he'd still be alive." "Well, I may not have a choice, hm? After all, I may be paying the rent on my own, soon. Thanks to you." "Get that out of my face." "It's not in your face, it's in my hand." "Get what's in your hand out of my face." "More importantly, let's see what he was trying to dispose of." "Facts, gentlemen, facts. I cannot make bricks without straw."

"We Are the Champions," Queen. " Sitting on a park bench, eyeing little girls with bad intent."

skyrider: "As one comment explained......"From the article, "It's waning to the point that you're seeing more and more people getting breakthrough infections, and more and more of those people who are getting breakthrough infections are winding up in the hospital." So......what you are really saying is that the vaccine really isn't all that effective in either preventing contracting the disease, nor is it as effective in preventing serious symptoms or from preventing death as the media has been pushing down our throats the past year. " =============================================== Anyone who thinks that this meant the vaccine isn't effective don't understand what's happening. The people winding up in the hospital are the people who are still refusing vaccinations. The "breakthrough" infections are from the variants, with Delta being the most popular one to catch right now. If you catch a variant, you might not be 100% protected against the infection- but if you were totally innoculated with 2 shots before, then you're going to have a lot of resistance against the variant. If you actually get sick, the severity and length will both be way down. Anyone heard of Gabriel Iglesias? He's a stand-up comedian from the US, Mexican-American, and he's rather corpulent. His nickname is "Fluffy." "Why do I drink diet soda? So I can eat regular cake." He's not that young anymore. He's seriously overweight, and has related problems (Type 2 diabetes, etc.) He got one of the breakthrough infections from the Delta variant. He's got a load of pre-existing problems. He took to his bed and was fine the next day. He said that's entirely due to him having both doses. He said he's had worse incidents from HANGOVERS. Want to risk ending up in the hospital from one variant of Covid or another? Just keep skipping the shots. The shots decrease the risk of getting sick at all, and they decrease the severity of the illness if you DO get sick. Or, you know, you can just keep thinking that governments all agreed on innoculations as part of some conspiracy, and that every country manufacturing one or another is including some weird spying thing or something when they make it.

Ah, you've posted this Sunday, November 14, 2021. The event, according to your post, was November 07, 2021. This event already happened 7 days ago.

He said, even while the GSC allowed him to disagree and still post. The GSC forum is not to be compared with twi- and you just proved THAT.

I'm familiar with the saying, and it's been said that when New York sneezes, the rest of the world has a cold. As a former NY' er and an expatriate, I'm used to trying to keep a sense of what's going on in the US and in NYC. (It would be easier if US radio stations didn't all have contracts that block their reception outside the US, since I could listen to local news radio.) I've got an international family, and my son is able to carry 3 different passports (one for North America, one for South America, one for Europe), so we do try to keep a sense of what's going on around the world. (During the World Cup, we DO cheer for 3 different countries, except when they play each other, then we watch on 2 different TVs.) During the Covid lockdowns, we were following, to the best of our abilities, what was going on around the world. We were also forming our own opinions on what was being reported. (I still think Brazil's Bolsonaro was counting on Covid wiping out huge swathes of the population from the favelas/ghettos, and Mrs Wolf points out he might have succeeded if the local drug-lords of those favelas hadn't gone into action to keep their customer base alive with gifts of cleaning supplies and food.) All of that being said, I have family and friends in different parts of the US. Even taking that into consideration, I think Allan's focusing a LOT more on the US than I am.

Nostalgia...... I'm reminded of a song that spoke of nostalgia, a desire to return to the town where someone grew up, only years later, after everything had changed. This is a translation, so the lyrics don't rhyme in English. ===================================================================== "I sing this zamba to my distant land, warm little town of our interior. Burning land that inspires my love, clay-ey, parched, with a burning sun. Remembering that burning land, my voice echoes, 'How hot!' I do remember you, my pretty little town, with your damp and dense air by daylight. Warm moonlights from a fantasy, full of magic, of an infinite singing, and the singing of your fresh little stream- except in the ten months of drought. My beloved town has always been very calm, except that time the hurricane passed by. Old lands, how far away you are. My dear land, my sweet village. I'm afraid you have changed since the lasted volcanic eruption. Land that, until yesterday, sheltered my childhood, I always remember you with my heart. Even if that sweet little stream today is a boiling torrent of lava that fortunately, sometimes quenches at the arrival of the time of flooding. The hungry wolves shake while howling, when bitten by fierce mosquitoes. It's impossible to sleep because of the cries of thousands of vultures that darken the sky. Sooner or later, an earthquake will appear, and at sunset, it rains meteors. If I could only go back to my little town, my old town to which I've never returned, if I could only go back there, to the town that always calls me, that always waits for me, if I could go back to that town....I wouldn't even do it if I was drunk!" ===================================== I think that song sums up how a lot of people feel about returning to twi for the NOSTALGIA.

I really can't say enough about people who can't tell the difference between 2 posters who espouse diametrically-opposed positions and live in different countries.

Allan: "WW - 'virtually no-one' 16 or under gets seriously ill or dies from covid is what I said NOT 'absolutely no-one' and what you subsequently posted per link backs that up ! " WordWolf responds: It's time to give up when the only way one can win a point is by making up things somebody never said, then making fun of them for saying it. I ran down why kids aren't dying from Covid in the few cases that DO get it- their death rate is tiny, although ANY deaths are unfortunate. The point you've been REFUTED on was your claim that your POSTED source said NO kids were " GETTING SERIOUSLY ILL" (your words.) Reputable sources around the world have acknowledged that a low rate of infection of kids doesn't mean NO kids are seriously ill of Covid- and that's prompted rushes to vaccinate- to flatten new waves of infection, small though those waves are. Some kids end up in ICU's around the world over Covid- because they're getting seriously ill. I'm glad they're getting treatment and that's keeping their death numbers down. Allan: "You then went on to post that " the few news readers that gave lip service to covid being a gray area were the first to rush out and get vaxxed." Joe Rogan is one that didn't that springs to mind so did you mean virtually all or absolutely all of the few ??:)" WordWolf responds: For the benefit of anyone actually reading my posts, here's what I wrote: "Personally, I find it interesting that the few TV news personalities in the US who ever claim there's any gray area here were all among the first people to run and get their vaccinations. Anyone on TV news as a staffer has gotten at least 2 shots, including anyone who gives lip service to the idea that the vaccinations are useless/harmful/whatever." Now, Joe Rogan is a comedian and a podcaster. The difference between being "on TV news as a staffer" or a "TV news personality in the US" and some podcaster should be OBVIOUS. However, I'll spell it out for those struggling with English. See, in the US, there's television. Some of the television is news programs. There's a studio, and serious news gets discussed. People show up in suits and begin reading "Our top story tonight is..." and so on. To be a "staffer" on TV news is to work on the staff of one or more television news programs. To be a "TV news personality" is to be a regular person featured ON television news programs. As for podcasters, anybody could make a podcast from their living room. Only someone who can't tell the difference between sourced, credible news and podcasts would confuse one for the other- and that says a lot about someone. Oh, and Joe Rogan previously being a UFC fight commentator" doesn't make him a "TV NEWS personality", either. That's not "TV NEWS."

Now, then. Does Covid pose any significant risk to the average teenager? The UK concluded it was. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/teenagers-sick-covid-vaccines-extension-b1900646.html "Officials extended the UK’s vaccine programme to children aged 16 and 17 after a number of teenagers fell “seriously ill” with Covid, it has emerged." https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/older-teenagers-seriously-ill-covid-21281028 "The number of 16 and 17-year-olds becoming “seriously ill” with coronavirus informed the extension of the vaccination rollout to that age group, a member of the committee advising on jabs said. Professor Adam Finn, who sits on the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) and is a professor of paediatrics at the University of Bristol, said there had been “a couple” of 17-year-olds in that area who needed intensive care in hospital in recent weeks." "He added: “Most young people who get this virus get it mildly or even without any symptoms at all. “But we are seeing cases in hospital even into this age group – we’ve had a couple of 17-year-olds here in Bristol admitted and needing intensive care over the course of the last four to six weeks – and so we are beginning to see a small number of serious cases." https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/04/health/coronavirus-teenagers-hospitalizations.html "Teens Are Rarely Hospitalized With Covid, but Cases Can Be Severe Adolescents were hospitalized with Covid three times as often as with flu, researchers reported. Nearly one-third wound up in I.C.U.s." https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/covid-19-poses-severe-risk-unvaccinated-teens-cdc/story?id=78084484 "While most coronavirus hospitalizations occur in adults, the coronavirus still poses the threat of severe disease to teens, according to a new study issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Nearly a third of teens ages 12-17 hospitalized with COVID-19 ended up in the intensive care unit, with 5% ultimately being placed on ventilators." "Most of the teens who were hospitalized with COVID-19, approximately 70%, had at least one underlying medical condition, while 30% of teens with no underlying medical conditions were still hospitalized. " What's the SENSIBLE takeaway from all this? Kids are still in the smallest risk category. SMALLEST RISK is not synonymous with "NOT AT RISK." Kids with some pre-existing condition were particularly in danger, but those with NO pre-existing condition could easily end up in an ICU, and even requiring use of a VENTILATOR. Are they dying? The odds are greatly against them dying- mainly because there's diligence in getting them on respirators in the worst cases. If not, they would be at serious risk of dying. Just going around with no plans to vaccinate them is a gamble, and refusing to get them medical attention if they showed symptoms would run the risk of them not getting a respirator when needed- which would be the end of them. Again, nobody has claimed the kids are not the smallest risk category. However, simply ignoring that there is still A risk is dangerous. All the medical authorities in different countries are agreeing that vaccinating the kids greatly reduces the risk of them getting sick enough to need a ventilator. That having been said, it's still possible to ignore all the medical experts, it's still possible to ignore all the disease experts, it's still possible to ignore all the infection experts. It's plainly obvious when someone is doing that, however. Personally, I find it interesting that the few TV news personalities in the US who ever claim there's any gray area here were all among the first people to run and get their vaccinations. Anyone on TV news as a staffer has gotten at least 2 shots, including anyone who gives lip service to the idea that the vaccinations are useless/harmful/whatever.

Allan: "as for WW (unless you're both and the same) semantics.....under 16's dying from covid versus seriously ill....I can post plenty of reports showing HEALTHY teenagers in 99.999% of cases are asymptomatic or mildly affected at worst..." WordWolf replies: You said the link you posted said that the number of teenagers who died OR GOT SERIOUSLY ILL was zero. The link had a chart specifically marking DEATHS and NO information on the number of ill, neither SERIOUSLY nor MILDLY. Then you insulted Waysider for allegedly disputing that site's data, which allegedly included stats on sick as well as dead. According to you, you ALREADY posted a link saying healthy teenagers had not gotten SERIOUSLY ill in Australia. I can read and understand your posts. I can read and understand your linked material. I don't think that appears true of everyone.

The articles may have had "facts", but those "facts" neither addressed your claims nor supported them. Nobody claimed the "statistics" were wrong. You seem not to have understood what they meant. This wasn't " false information", just " poor reading comprehension." Rather than labeling the moderators, you might actually read the articles you linked.

Allan: " Also, virtually NO cases of healthy kids under 16 dying or even getting seriously ill from Covid." https://www.statista.com/statistics/1245896/australia-number-of-coronavirus-deaths-by-age-group-and-gender/ Allan: "So here are two reports showing that what I have said IS fact. What may I ask did you base your reply to me on ? Or was it the general 'knee jerk reaction' of those who have succumbed to mainstream media madness ?" WordWolf replies: In the first link, nothing had anything to do with COVID whatsoever, and you got a warning about that. In the second link, the chart CLEARLY says it's charting the number of DEATHS. Absolutely nothing supported your claim that no healthy kids under 16 were "EVEN GETTING SERIOUSLY ILL." So, you have no reports showing what you said was "fact". If you'd read your own links and understood them, you'd have known that. I can't tell if you just linked and didn't even read them, or if someone claimed they did that and you just believed their claim and went on to condemn "knee jerk reactions" with no sense of hypocrisy. Now, the claim that no healthy kids died of COVID, if true, should not be a shocker. We all knew they were the lowest-risk group in general, and I told my kid the worst thing that COULD happen to him, if he caught it, would probably be him getting very sick and then recovering. (This meant his bigger concern was catching COVID and passing it to a grandparent.)

*reads* That was written in January. A lot of information has passed since then- especially the variants. Those who got Covid should still get at least one vaccination both for producing more antibodies and producing them in a larger variety. This should be obvious to anyone who gets their annual flu vaccine. Old flu vaccines will still be PARTLY effective, but the CURRENT flu vaccine is designed for the CURRENT strain going around. BTW, those of you taking enormous Vitamin D supplements should consider scaling back a bit. If the general concept of "moderation" doesn't move you, then consider the medical experts reminding you that there's a limit to how much of a good thing you can have- to be specific, how much Vitamin D is too much. https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/taking-too-much-vitamin-d-can-cloud-its-benefits-and-create-health-risks Harvard, "Unless your doctor recommends it, avoid taking more than 4,000 IU per day, which is considered the safe upper limit. " https://www.livescience.com/59550-high-dose-vitamin-d.html Livescience, " For vitamin D, the tolerable upper limit for people of all ages is 4,000 IU a day." https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/how-much-vitamin-d-is-too-much#TOC_TITLE_HDR_4 Healthline," According to the Institute of Medicine, 4000 IU is the safe upper level of daily vitamin D intake. " For those skimming those articles and not even pretending to read them, I'd like to point out that blood toxicity levels of Vitamin D isn't the most likely problem- unless taking doses even higher than we've discussed. Organ damage can occur at levels higher than 4000 IU/day. No, I'm not interested in seeing any of you get hurt like that.

"There is nothing more elusive than an obvious fact." "Whatever he was working on, he obviously succeeded." "How do you know?" "Otherwise, he'd still be alive." "Well, I may not have a choice, hm? After all, I may be paying the rent on my own, soon. Thanks to you." "Get that out of my face." "It's not in your face, it's in my hand." "Get what's in your hand out of my face." "More importantly, let's see what he was trying to dispose of."

"Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 2." It's a memorable exchange towards the end of the series. When I first heard it, I was reminded of a completely unrelated quote. In DC Comics, they sometimes printed stories that were out-of-continuity, and announced at the beginning that it was an "imaginary story, which may never take place." So, in response to a question as to whether a certain story was in canon - "Is this an imaginary story?" Elliot S! Maggin (I think it was him) said "Of course it's an imaginary story. Aren't they all?"

"Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 2." It's a memorable exchange towards the end of the series. When I first heard it, I was reminded of a completely unrelated quote. In DC Comics, they sometimes printed stories that were out-of-continuity, and announced at the beginning that it was an "imaginary story, which may never take place." So, in response to a question as to whether a certain story was in canon - "Is this an imaginary story?" Elliot S! Maggin (I think it was him) said "Of course it's an imaginary story. Aren't they all?"

That's it.