WordWolf

"Diary of a Very Tired Car Mechanic"????

I'm not your target audience, and most of them moved on after GSC. I was raised Roman Catholic, and was an altar boy in a family involved in the local parish. (Altar boys, commentators, a Eucharistic minister.) I was told to believe in the Trinity. In fairness, I never had any depth of that other than being told to believe in that. So, when I left the church at age 12, it was because I had no confidence that what they-or any other Christian- taught had any validity. After a few years of being a dedicated anti-Christian and being anti-Bible, I got involved with twi. (As you can imagine, there's quite a story with such a drastic change in worldview and perspective in the course of a week, for me to even attend my first meeting.) I "became a Trinitarian" in the technical sense but didn't have any real belief invested in it. When I had questions my local parish was ill-equipped to even face, I walked away from the Trinity (in addition to Christianity.) A few years later, I got involved with twi. My reasons for believing the Trinity was incorrect but Christianity WAS correct were more based on sense now than before, although, admittedly, somewhere in there was the idea that someone who was truly expert on these matters signed off on it. Now that I have the freedom to believe any of those, I find that I can get along with Christians of all stamps providing they're conducting themselves like Christians and not Pharisees of any flavor. I don't have anything invested in any doctrine other than preference, and can change that if the information changes. I have yet to see a convincing argument for the Trinity over non-Trinity. If I ever became a Trinitarian, it would be a REAL one and not just going through the motions because I'm told to believe this by authority figures. If I ever became one, it would be because it made the most sense to me. That's the closest I can come to answering your question-the hypothetical as to what it would take.

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In this movie, a rather exceptional crew and atomic submarine are miniaturized and sent into the bloodstream of a diplomat to save his life. They are later in a position to save the entire planet by traveling to the Marianas Trench and firing a missile at the Van Allen Radiation Belt at exactly the right time. In this television show, a top secret governmental agency arms a team with miniaturization (for 12 hours at a time) and a high tech vehicle (suitable for travel in air, water and space), and sends them to investigate the mysteries of the oceans.

That's one that came down from the top. The consequences of things like that- often intentional at the top- was that twi'ers DON'T CARE about other people. There's no COMPASSION for other people. This infected people, to a large or a small degree. And when they left twi, some people were able to discard it within a few years, and some never have. I thought about that when I saw a poster here talk about fellow Christians with whom he disagreed (Trinitarians), who worship the same God he does, who have the same Lord he does, but who view that Lord and that God somewhat differently while they do. He said they were "praying to an oil can." It's unlikely that he actually thought his fellow Christians were bowing and serving an oil can, so the comment was meant to belittle and demean those with whom he disagreed. Amd that's over a decade after leaving twi, which illustrates that one can leave twi without twi leaving them. One can stop attending SNS, one can stop listening to the tapes and phone hookups, but without actually thinking and growing past it, one is still doing most of the same harmful practices that hobbled those unfortunates who learned them in twi in the first place.

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Matthew Patel Lucas Lee Todd Ingram Roxy Richter Kyle Katayanagi Ken Katayanagi Gideon Graves Stars include: Kieran Culkin, Chris Evans, Brandon Routh, Jason Schwartzman, Anna Kendrick.

That's it. Comment about Margaret. Complaint from Frank Burns. Hawkeye has a meltdown in an episode about having nothing but liver and fish for weeks in a row. Hawkeye trying to cheat playing "Hearts." Sidney Freedman, pausing before leaving, reminding them to not take themselves too seriously. Radar, during a sniper attack, about to risk his life for a sandwich. One of my all-time favorite quotes from MASH. When asked if Klinger (an "enlisted man", i.e. not an officer) enlisted, he gave this answer.

Still thinking, but anyone can jump in right now.

"She's offered her body to science. Time and time again." "I've gotten "Thank you" notes from people I said I'd never see again." "I've eaten a river of liver and an ocean of fish! I've eaten so much fish, I'm ready to grow gills! I've eaten so much liver, I can only make love if I'm smothered in bacon and onions!" "I'm reminded of a story, you've probably heard it. The king and queen of this country were playing golf with five clubs. Their son Jack remarked how strange it was that they only had two hearts between them. And just then his sister Little Deucey and her dog Tre started singing 'For Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend,' whereupon the whole family beat her to death and buried her with two spades." "Ladies and gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and slide on the ice." "I have this peculiar metabolism. If I don't eat regularly, everything solid in my body turns to liquid. My shoes are full of water." "When they came for me, I ran like a thief right into Grand Central Station. They trapped me in a pay toilet." "Beautiful." "Cost them four dollars in nickels to get me out." "I love a volunteer."

I think we need some more.

In some people, it's a byproduct of time spent in twi. vpw himself was fond of doing it and it served his purposes. It made him sound clever and more interesting to many people, and it's the lazy way to criticize something. vpw liked to discredit those who disagreed with him, and a flippant comment is a LOT less work than refuting them. vpw was all about not doing any work he didn't have to, and cut corners everywhere. That, and he didn't have any compassion, so those who disagreed with him were just obstacles to knock down rather than people to win over. lcm himself was fond of doing it. lcm treated vpw's methods as having descended from the heavens. Furthermore, as an ex-jock, he was experienced in just snappy comebacks and putdowns, but not skilled in any academic or substantive method of refuting someone. So, it played to his strengths, as well. So, lcm learned both to do that sort of thing, and learned that other people don't count, so it's appropriate to ridicule them and belittle them. Naturally, between the two of them, that infected twi at a lot of levels. Lots of trainees and leaders emulated one, the other, or both, and passed all that down the "tree" to people all over the place. Frankly, vpw WAS callous and flippant, and lcm learned to be that way from vpw, and they passed it down the line.

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

"When they came for me, I ran like a thief right into Grand Central Station. They trapped me in a pay toilet." "Beautiful." "Cost them four dollars in nickels to get me out." "I love a volunteer."

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"I didn't kill my wife!" "I don't care!"

That's it.

That's it.

"Summer Loving."

"In God, I know I'm one."

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He MIGHT quote from that type of movie. But he DID quote famous last words from "the Untouchables."

"Uncle ****er" was enough of a giveaway without "Blame Canada." This is the "South Park" movie.

And I mis-read your reply to it for a moment and thought you were correcting me because I posted the wrong name. :)

Might be what he's listening to now, or a few years ago. I know I wasn't listening to anything hard when you were listening to soft rock, and I wasn't listening to Cake in the 70s because I don't think they were a band in the 70s. Not that they're hard rock, of course. Nowadays, he might listen to anything on the radio, on some specialized cable music channel if he has one, or stream online for just about any format that's still in operation. "Who Are You?"- by The Who.