WordWolf

"So, I hear you were terrorizing Mr. Morgan's class... again." "Expressing my opinion is not a terrorist action." "The way you expressed your opinion to Bobby Ridgeway? By the way, his testicle retrieval operation went quite well, in case you're interested." "I still maintain that he kicked himself in the balls." "Do you know what happens at proms?" "Yes. We'll dance, we'll kiss, we'll come home. It's not quite the crisis situation you imagine." "Kissing? That's what you think happens? I've got news for you. Kissing isn't what keeps me up to my elbows in placenta all day long." "Can we, for two seconds, ignore the fact that you're severely unhinged and discuss my need for a night of teenage normalcy?" "What's normal? Those damn... Dawson's river kids sleeping in each other's beds and what not?" "Daddy that is so not..." "I've got news for you. I'm down, I've got the 411, and you are not going out and getting jiggy with some boy, I don't care how dope his ride is. Mamma didn't raise no fool."

T-Bone....

Those were called "MOUNTAINTOP CHECKBOOKS", at least when I bought one. I really have an opportunity when someone uses the wrong jargon...

(My rule of thumb is still: if people who never saw the movie would recognize it from that, then it's a good clue. I've recognized a number of movies on this thread, but haven't seen them.)

Ok, I finally saw enough of STAR TREK (the latest one) that I can get this. (And I'm a little embarrassed I didn't check in during "Pulp Fiction.")

then Will Farrell Anchorman:the Legend of Ron Burgundy Ben Stiller (He's in the famous fight scene, and has a speaking role.) (BTW, I have a thread in the Soap Opera forum.)

Sounds like you have a LOT of different "they's". Are "they" all one big "they", or are there many independent "theys" that lack specific names? "They" is INCREDIBLY vague- and thus INCREDIBLY CONVENIENT. No need to communicate clearly-just be vague and insult people who want specifics and clear communication.

I didn't think of this answer before you asked. What else needs to be said was that, if you were raped over there, it would probably be BY HIM, the degenerate.

The guy went from school into divinity school, and went directly into preaching from school. He never traveled until he got his denomination to pay for the India trip. (Before that, he grew up on a farm and was a chronic shirker of his chores- according to what both his father and his brother said-and as recorded in TW:LiL. He chose preaching because it was the most comfortable living for the least amount of work among his options.) Matthew 23:1-12 (NASB) 1Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, 2saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; 3therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them. 4"They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as a finger. 5"But they do all their deeds to be noticed by men; for they broaden their [a]phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments. 6"They love the place of honor at banquets and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7and respectful greetings in the market places, and being called Rabbi by men. 8"But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9"Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10"Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ. 11"But the greatest among you shall be your servant. 12"Whoever exalts himself shall be humbled; and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted.

For those of you who may be unclear on the point, I'd like to spell it out for you. Go dig out your "Heart of the Way Corps" tape set. IIRC, that's 7 tapes. 2 of them have vpw speaking. Play them both, and listen when he speaks about LEAD. If you're falling asleep, start paying attention when he says "You're going to hitchhike to LEAD even if you NEVER make it." In a few minutes, he gets to the part where he addresses the danger of being raped hitchhiking to LEAD. "Well, you could be raped here in the Green Valley...." vpw makes it clear that- because one could POTENTIALLY be raped ANYWHERE, he sees no point in reducing the instructions that maximize the risk of being raped. Despite knowing-and addressing-that forcing them to hitchhike was a voluntary risk factor that led directly to some women being raped, vpw was determined to continue the practice, no matter HOW many of you it hurt. After all, it's not like he CARED about any of you. If a few wows or corps got raped or killed, well, there will be more of them next year. Just make sure "the ministry be not blamed" and move on. Let's never discuss the ministry SHOULD have been blamed because it had hazardous policies, just don't blame it anyway.

Here's a few more links. We've discussed BG Leonard a lot over the years. I can't find it now, but someone quoted from one of Leonard's books that sure sounded as if Leonard clearly believed Jesus did not pre-exist before his birth. And was scornful of the concept.

IIRC, vpw claimed some OTHER Christian spent the week prepping a sermon. (Can't have vpw making lots of mistakes.) vpw told him that's the problem-the devil read it all week and reverse-prepped the congregation. vpw said, by contrast, he stepped to the podium with no planning and no preparation. "That way, even the devil doesn't know what I'm going to teach on." Interesting how vpw is so lauded by current twi, yet his examples are so reviled. Can't EVER go up to the podium with the slightest spontaneity. Gotta let the devil have MONTHS to prepare for your "teaching".

I think the phrase you meant was a "whipping boy" (or in this case, girl), rather than a "whipping post." A whipping post itself received none of the punishment. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Whipping_boy "A whipping boy, was a young boy who was assigned to a young prince and was punished when the prince misbehaved or fell behind in his schooling." "Whipping boys were some of the earliest "fall guys"." https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Scapegoat

Let's see... Acts 8, KJV. 9But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: 10To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God. 11And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries. 18And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, 19Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. 20But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. 21Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God. 22Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee. 23For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity. Sounds like a fair comparison.

All right, technically, George rang in with the correct answer. However, he might want to let Hw/oB take this one in the interests of variety, but it's his choice.

No. This movie JUST won an Oscar, which should give you a much smaller "window" of time to work with. (Several nominations concerned this movie.)

"You know, you really don't need a forensics team to get to the bottom of this. If you guys were the inventors of Facebook, you'd have invented Facebook."

[i noticed some time back that vpw's summary led to "DO AS YOU FOOL WELL PLEASE." That was vpw's standard. That was vpw's goal. That was what vpw said in conclusion, too. He claimed that the LAW had been boiled down to two rules, then discarded both. He said it was all subsumed in "Love God, and love your neighbor as yourself." He then said that "if you love God, and love your neighbor as yourself, then you can do as you fool well please." He never spent any time on what either would entail, however- probably because his goal was not "love God and love your neighbor as yourself", (for his actions showed neither), but his coda of "do as you fool well please." I mean, think about it. "Love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself" IS THE OPPOSITE OF vpw's "do as you fool well please." The one who cares about God will seek to do the things that please God- and will seek to bless others because God likes that. The one who only cares about himself will "do as he fool well pleases." In hindsight, vpw's rule is less kind than Christians in general, in all the churches, and is less kind than the rule the wiccans/pagans follow. Their rule is "IF IT HURTS NO ONE, do what you will." If vpw had even the morals of the pagans and wiccans, he would not have drugged, molested, nor raped others. Other Christians just find this level of morals horrifying. Look- we love Daddy and want to make Him happy because He's so nice. So, He tells us what actions make him happy, and we do them. We don't need Him to threaten to punish us for not doing them. We love Him and want to make Him proud. How can anyone possibly have trouble understanding this?]

Rocky 4?

Rocky 3. The rematch. Rocky, Paulie, and Apollo in the corner.

Have I mentioned lately that I'm actually getting quite a bit out of this thread? I don't just mean in a sense of psychology/sociology/criminology, but in a sense of Christian learning. The whole process, with people contributing, has hit on some pretty deep stuff here and there, and some pretty fundamental stuff here and there, and had some interesting things to say about both. I think the dialogue has had some really beneficial posts in them. Of course, I don't speak for everyone, but I'd expect most of us are getting SOMETHING from the process.

Actually, you're accusing others of what you do, which is an old, old tactic. The whole discussion proceeded from your faulty claims, which seem to keep changing. twi was a "safe harbor", but not in the sense of giving "safety", and not in the sense of acting as a "harbor." But, oh, if you follow twi's rules and the so-called "LAW of believing" (which is unbiblical and doesn't work), then you will have a safe feeling and be guaranteed safety. Of course, that doesn't hold for lots of people who tried it your way and were unsafe- and victimized by vpw HIMSELF or hurt or raped or killed (like on LEAD) because they followed his instructions (you MUST hitchike), so now you go on the attack and someone ELSE "speaks with forked tongue." Anyone else but you can see the difference between what you said we said, and what we actually said. YOU SAID " But if you base your life on the word of God, and you even make major decisions based on prayer and the word of God, and time and time again your prayers get answered and you escape negative situations, and you're blessed and peaceful, then it's not gambling, is it?" That's the mechanized approach vpw claimed worked, the "law" of believing, where you believe and you're guaranteed to get the DESIRED result-if you did it right. That's not how it works. Here's what Geisha said: "Well, then Jesus was a great failure, because He prayed with great drops of blood as sweat....and His cup didn't pass. Paul, who basically carried out the second half of Jesus ministry.....did not have his thorn in the flesh removed....and along with the other apostles was beaten and imprisoned time and again. With the exception of John....who was not sent to Club Med, the Apostles were martyred. Peter died a horrible death, we believe after watching his wife suffer a similar fate. You are going to be hard pressed not to find persecution, violence, or suffering, from creation on in scripture. The only person who was called upright and perfect before God...Job, went through a horrible trial of human suffering. He didn't do anything wrong....and you know what? He never found out why. Escaping "negative" situations is not what gives us peace. In fact, we are promised persecution and suffering for His namesake.....that is one of the promises of God. The peace that is promised us....stems from a relationship with Jesus Christ. It is about our safety in Him...not this life. According to scripture....God has a pretty poor track record of keeping people safe in this life. Jesus presents us blameless and spotless before God...not this world." Here's what I said: "So, so far, twi's "safe harbor" offers no PHYSICAL safety (took 20 pages to get there), and the only "safety" twi offers is a promise that prayers will result CONSISTENTLY in deliverance (which, as the rest of us know, contradicts Scripture, since praying men like Jesus, Paul, Peter etc prayed earnestly and did not escape physical peril nor execution.)" So, in plain English, we said your rules argued against Scripture and against how things were demonstrated to have worked. (So Crates gave modern examples.) ================================== The sad part is that you can't tell the difference between what we said and, as you put it, "Out of one side of your mouth you say that a true Christian should be getting persecuted and killed, but out of the other side of your mouth you say that TWI, who supposedly raped and killed and destroyed souls, is evil even though they did what YOU SAY should be happening in the lives of true Christians." We were saying that Christians have no guarantee to avoid strife, and in fact should be expecting to face persecution and suffering if necessary, that is because the world is evil and we must remain faithful even though the world does not want us to be. That doesn't mean that ALL suffering=persecution of Christians. It also doesn't mean that to get someone closer to God, you persecute him and he should thank you for it. Matthew 18:6-7. "6But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. 7Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! " Luke 17:1-2. " 1Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! 2It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones." Jesus knew that we will suffer-it's "impossible" to avoid it in the world- but the one that causes the Christians to suffer is NOT Christian NOR to be thanked- he's in a lot of trouble with God Almighty. So, going from Jesus' explanation, if an organization VICTIMIZES Christians and CAUSES them to suffer, then that organization. SINCE twi has victimized Christians, has caused them to stumble and suffer, and vpw himself raped and molested, twi was responsible for much evil, and vpw was personally responsible for much evil. To say otherwise is to display a sharp disagreement with Jesus Christ himself as to how things go. It's sad that you can't see the difference. It's disappointing that virtually everyone who reads this thread can see the difference, and can easily see us quoting and explaining the relevance of Scripture here, and learn thereby, but you still toss out vague insults about our understanding. There's an appalling contrast with what's evident and what you're claiming is here. Can it be stated any more simply than this?