WordWolf

In twi, lying is, at worst, wrong if you get caught. Rosa-lie lied in court. lcm lied in court. R1c0 lied to the media. twi has a long, proud tradition of lying to anyone and everyone, starting with vpw lying to everyone on all sorts of subjects. He once said he never had a cold or a headache in his entire life (until possibly his 60s when he got sick and died, which was the context.) Anyone here believe he NEVER got a headache his entire life? vpw lied freely and at great length, all through his twi history, and if that was the BEGINNING of his lying, I'd be shocked. lcm and other have continued that all through twi history. Ever hear a story of someone who left twi, from twi? Was it ever "they didn't have any confidence in our current direction, so we parted ways"? Or was it the usual "they are embracing evil and their appetites so they're running out or we're kicking them out." Whenever vpw raped a woman and she looked ready to talk to police, she was sent home on a nice, slow bus while they savaged her reputation at home with everyone she'd speak to-family, friends. Slander, libel, fraud- all commonplace in twi. Lying TO twi'ers is nothing, for that matter, and is the only way to survive in twi eventually. Ever have a setback in life? Better lie about it, or twi will rake you over the coals for "letting it happen" "through negative believing." Twi'ers (the top) lie to everyone, and force everyone to lie to them. Why would lying to outsiders be a shock anymore?

It is indeed the Court Jester. That's why Giacomo "made a 'fool' of himself. :)

At one time, it WAS the farm. When they lost all that staff with everyone else in 1989 (and thereabouts), that wasn't an option anymore. There's some posters who've posted about working on the books, or working with the people who worked on them, around here somewhere.

That's always been true. The book "The Way:Living in Love" said they didn't look at numbers- then focused on numbers a few pages later...

Ah, no, that was an inflated figure, even then. There were never 100,000 pfal grads. There were supposedly 100,000 people worldwide who had ever SIGNED UP for pfal. When I took pfal, there were 8 new students signed up for that class. 7 students showed up to Session 1. 3 students completed Session 12. I think we had more attrition than most, but it's still common that the number of people SIGNED UP for pfal was much higher than the number of people who COMPLETED pfal. Then there's the people who vanished right after Session 12, and those who walked out in the 3 months following. A more accurate measure would have been the number of INTERMEDIATE CLASS grads. ============== The best rule of thumb has usually been the ROA attendance x 2= current total of members. ("FOLLOWERS.") So, IIRC, about 40,000 people in 1979 (about 20,000 attendees at ROA 79.)

Indeed.

Basil Rathbone was quite impressed with how fast Danny Kaye picked up stage-fencing. In fact, in one scene, Rathbone needed a double to keep up with him! Then again, Kay was about 20 years younger than Rathbone, so that's understandable. Even so, keeping up with Rathbone's an accomplishment.

Next movie. "I'm on my way."

Ok, let's move this along. That's all from "SUPERMAN II". Specifically, towards the end at the Daily Planet.

AFAIK, this was one of Basil Rathbone's last movies. (He did quite a bit of television after this, though.) I'm hopeful someone will chime in, let's give it another day.... Casablanca I like for the great lines, and I think the acting's top-notch and carries the feel of the time and place- and its timelessness- well.

Highlights from other threads:

"Our Way Corps Chalet." "The Way Corps Chalet Revisited." "Way Corps Chalet or President's Home?"

BTW, as often happens here, we discussed this before. Here's the threads I know about.... Here's what I said on both: " Seriously? A) Towards the end, he wandered around campus, addled, and confused as to how the women in his life had set him up as the sole perpetrator of all the sins of the inner circle. B) He was successfully labelled as the Single Villain. Therefore, he can't build a base with ex-twi or CURRENT twi. Supposedly, one man claimed if he had even 7 totally loyal men, he could start a religion. lcm is short 7 men for even that much. C) lcm lacks the skills to build himself up as a religious leader to more than a boy scout troop. lcm was coccooned into twi at an early age, and only retains the skills he learned thru college (mostly athletics) and the skills he learned since then (mostly, how to bark orders and micromanage.) Like a career politician, he's out of touch with how real people live, how real Christians think, and what they care about. He'd be a missionary to a foreign country, whose customs are nearly incomprehensible. (Unless he's learned humility since then-if he has, he may understand, but understands he will only harm himself or others if he takes the big chair.) D) lcm doesn't have anything to offer people. His understanding of Scripture is sub-standard among average Christians, and his manner is abrasive. He can't get converts from people who just want him to shut up." Sunesis said

Just to clarify about VF and New York as a whole.... I'd seen VF run Limb meetings, and occasionally come down to NYC for at least 1 Territory meeting I was at. I knew he'd had a bunch of offices at hq in the past, including Worldwide Outreach Coordinator, and IIRC, Trunk Coordinator, so I knew he'd been experienced as twi goes. So, I'd seen him teach, and knew he had experience running things. I knew the Territory Coordinators in NYC all either by personal interaction or by reputation. By reputation, I mean people I'd interacted with a lot had interacted with them, and they "vetted" all those people, and Branch Coordinators and so on. lcm I'd seen at the podium, occasionally speaking loudly on subjects I disagreed with him on. I felt he emphasized style over substance too much for my taste, and even made some OBVIOUS mistakes, either in the interest of being cutesy, error, or carelessness that allowed him to, again, put style over substance. What little I'd heard during the fog years about him seemed to mean he had problems which could be fixed, and I expected the other top officers of twi to handle that- Region Coordinators, etc. I figured VF was on the short list of people who would do just that. I even gave that opinion to someone. About a week later, I got a letter in the mail from lcm saying that he was firing, in essence, all the leaders in NY State (naming each one), because they were corrupt. Now, here was a difference of opinion. Some people said lcm was "off". lcm said some other people were "off." Now, I'd had a chance to see the others in action, and I was fairly confident that, as a whole, they were not "off." (I don't think the Branch/Territory coordinators here were complicit in twi's crimes.) Therefore, when lcm insisted they were corrupt, and made an unBiblical command to choose among men, I knew what decision I would make, even if I made it alone. I was pleased not to have to MAKE it alone- lcm fired the entire state's staff, so they kept the state structure intact and just proceeded from there. I wasn't extensively "vetted" for VF, but those who WERE vetted trusted him, so I thought that was sufficient. (Well, I think he was more trustworthy than lcm, and I think that was a reliable conclusion even now.)

I've seen it a number of times and it's older than me as well. I've seen parts of silent movies (that predate sound in movies.) I've seen a number of movies that predate me. I'm hardly the only person who's seen this movie who's younger than it. Of course, I couldn't recognize Basil Rathbone or the other stars in it, but I did see it... I really have trouble with the idea that you've NEVER seen this one, let alone that incredibly famous scene.

"I'm proud to recall that at no time at all and with no other recourses but my own resources, with firm application and determination... I made a fool of myself!" "After the dust had cleared, half the cast had a beard. And I'm the one, as you can see, for whom the bell tolls merrily." "Rules of Chivalry be hanged! Ravenhurst, take that nincompoop, and knight that nincompoop by noon tomorrow!" " Why be gloomy, cut off thy nose to spite thy face? Listen to me. A nose is hard to replace." "After months of pleading for just this kind of action, what makes you think that anybody - anybody could make me reveal the identity of my confederate?" "Because they'd put you on the rack, crack your every bone, scald you with hot oil, and remove the nails off your fingers with flaming hot pincers." "I'd... like to withdraw the question." "You'll never outfox The Fox!" "When do we start?" "Tonight." "Good. I’d like to get in, get on with it, get it over with, and get out. Get it?" "Got it." "Good." "First, plan one. Are you sure you can dispose of my lords Brockhurst, Finsdale, and Pertry? "Are they married?" "Yes…" "Order flowers for the widows. Get it?" "Got it." "Good." "Dire news, sire! I've just come from the forest. The child lives!" "The child lives?!" "Aye, sire." "How know you that this is the royal child and not some outrageous impostor?" "Because sire, disguised as a member of their group, I saw him. And I can assure you that like his royal ancestors, and on the same spot as his royal ancestors, he bears the royal birthmark." "The... purple pimpernel?" "The purple pimpernel." "I am Giacomo, Giacomo, my fame before me rings --" "Sir Giacomo! You should be in armor! And you, maid Jean, in the stands." "If I die, just pray that I die bravely." "You'll not die, you'll not have to fight him. Griswold dies as he drinks the toast." ====================================================================== "...The pellet with the poisle is in the flaggle with the chalice...." "...The poison's in the dragon with the pestle...." "...Eh, ah, the chazzle is in the poisley with the plellice with the plan- eh, plaglice..." "The pellet with the dragon's in the pestle with the poi-" "The pezley with the poisle is..." "The dragon with the poisle's in the pestle..." "Pazzle with the fleegle..." "The poisley with the plazzle is the plazzle with the ploizle... The chalice with the pa... the flagon with the cha... the floizle with the flagon is the chalice with the poison..." ============================ "Listen. I have put a pellet of poison in one of the vessels. "Which one?" "The one with the figure of a pestle." "The vessel with the pestle?" "Yes. But you don't want the vessel with the pestle, you want the chalice from the palace!" "I-I don't want the vessel with the pestle, I want the chalice from the what?" "The chalice from the palace!" "Hm?" "It's a little crystal chalice with a figure of a palace. "Th-the chalice from the palace have the pellet with the poison? "No, the pellet with the poison's in the vessel with the pestle." "Listen carefully. The pellet with the poison's in the vessel with the pestle, the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true." "I've got it! I've got it. The pellet with the poison's in the vessel with the pestle, the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true, right?" "Right. But there's been a change. They broke the chalice from the palace." "They broke the chalice from the palace?" "And replaced it with a flagon." "Flagon." "With a figure of a dragon." "Flagon with a dragon." "Right." "Did you put the pellet with the poison in the vessel with the pestle?" "No! The pellet with the poison's in the flagon with the dragon, the vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true!" "The pellet with the poison's in the flagon with the dragon, the vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true." "Just remember that." Now even the kids might name this one.....

You only noticed it on THAT tape? ;) Actually, depending on the year, he could sound pretty nutty on the ROA tapes.

I'm sure Raf knows it, but he seems a bit busy...

"....Thank God..... ...I mean, GET HIM!!"

"I'm proud to recall that at no time at all and with no other recourses but my own resources, with firm application and determination... I made a fool of myself!" "After the dust had cleared, half the cast had a beard. And I'm the one, as you can see, for whom the bell tolls merrily." "Rules of Chivalry be hanged! Ravenhurst, take that nincompoop, and knight that nincompoop by noon tomorrow!" " Why be gloomy, cut off thy nose to spite thy face? Listen to me. A nose is hard to replace." "After months of pleading for just this kind of action, what makes you think that anybody - anybody could make me reveal the identity of my confederate?" "Because they'd put you on the rack, crack your every bone, scald you with hot oil, and remove the nails off your fingers with flaming hot pincers." "I'd... like to withdraw the question." "You'll never outfox The Fox!" "When do we start?" "Tonight." "Good. I’d like to get in, get on with it, get it over with, and get out. Get it?" "Got it." "Good." "First, plan one. Are you sure you can dispose of my lords Brockhurst, Finsdale, and Pertry? "Are they married?" "Yes…" "Order flowers for the widows. Get it?" "Got it." "Good." "Dire news, sire! I've just come from the forest. The child lives!" "The child lives?!" "Aye, sire." "How know you that this is the royal child and not some outrageous impostor?" "Because sire, disguised as a member of their group, I saw him. And I can assure you that like his royal ancestors, and on the same spot as his royal ancestors, he bears the royal birthmark." "The... purple pimpernel?" "The purple pimpernel." "I am Giacomo, Giacomo, my fame before me rings --" "Sir Giacomo! You should be in armor! And you, maid Jean, in the stands." "If I die, just pray that I die bravely." "You'll not die, you'll not have to fight him. Griswold dies as he drinks the toast." ====================================================================== "...The pellet with the poisle is in the flaggle with the chalice...." "...The poison's in the dragon with the pestle...." "...Eh, ah, the chazzle is in the poisley with the plellice with the plan- eh, plaglice..." "The pellet with the dragon's in the pestle with the poi-" "The pezley with the poisle is..." "The dragon with the poisle's in the pestle..." "Pazzle with the fleegle..." "The poisley with the plazzle is the plazzle with the ploizle... The chalice with the pa... the flagon with the cha... the floizle with the flagon is the chalice with the poison..." ============================ NOW you know this movie!

IF they did, it's news to me, and it would have been long before this movie. It might have seemed a little like this one, however. Although I think this is a little closer to the Marx Brothers, for reasons you can probably figure out once you can name the movie. The "purple pimpernel" was apparently a spoof on a completely different story.

The government got nervous. twi had (and has) some gun nuts. twi used to have a "gun safety" program administered by the state of KANSAS (IIRC) at the Emporia site. They encouraged sll the on-site Corps to take it. Take that piece of information, then add the conspiracy theories about a secret world government and the breakdown of civilization and the MAL packs so we could head for the hills well-prepared, and it's small wonder the government wanted to check tbings out. So, PROBABLY, they sent some people on-grounds during an ROA. I say PROBABLY because I saw no evidence they ever appeared at the ROA except vpw saying they did. He lied so often and so freely- especially about government and conspiracies- that I'd EXPECT him to lie about this. What he said was that he knew they were around and were looking for guns, if they'd asked, he would have had them shown around, that twi didn't have guns, and didn't need them-they needed God. Which sounded pious, but was obviously a disconnect from the other stuff, like the MAL packs and recommending the Corps learn to shoot and so on....

I can only really speak on my own behalf on this one. So I'll say that in my case, I started out a lot hotter, but I cooled off in twi for a simple reason: the local leadership felt THREATENED by me and acted out of FEAR, ultimately succeeding in cooling my "temperature" enough that miracle-type stuff went from "expected" to "rare" like it happened for them. I've noted it pointed out even on tape sometime, how new people often get such results, then they settle in and that stops. I think it's because twi strangled their confidence and simplicity about the things of God. It would not surprise me to hear that it was fairly common for "leadership" to CLAMP DOWN on that sort of thing out of fear.