WordWolf

If people don't like the way you're managing, you're not legally accountable to them. This is why admins are often likened to ogres. They have to lay down the law and that's it. Obviously, it's a sign you're having an effect on people. Otherwise, they wouldn't even think of you or your site. As for me, I'm curious about the other site. Mainly, I want to know what they said about me. If they're not trash-talking me, I may not be getting enough done! No matter what decisions are made, voices will be raised in opposition as loudly as possible. That's pretty much a constant in human experience. I agree.

Ultimately, you need to concern yourself primarily with yourself. If you don't take care of yourself, you'll fall down and go splat, and then will be unable to help anyone at all. See, most other messageboards don't make any attempt to be so transparent in their dealings. Twits get a suspension or a ban and that's it. Anyone doesn't like it, they can leave. As much as the GSC means to us, has meant to us, if it crashed irretrievably tomorrow, we'd all survive one way or another. You have to find a healthier method of managing things-including your own life. If that requires-and you're the only one who can truly know for sure- that you close up the shop and throw away the keys, well, so be it. Those of us who don't care more about your well-being SHOULD. Is it possible the GSC could be delegated, and only "appeals" to the Admin's decisions be directed to Paw? With mods handling day-to-day, and one or more Admins evaluating and making the difficult decisions?

I've heard people say Jesus=Melchizedek. Since there's no verse that I can find that says this, a case must be made FOR or AGAINST, as I see it. Of course, this does take into account that an absence of a clear statement of that as fact can be seen as supporting the case it's not true. (There's no verse that says Jesus smoked cigarettes. This supports the claim he did NOT smoke cigarettes.) I just quoted all the verses that mention Mel. Mel was King of Salem. Mel was a priest of God. Mel was both a secular ruler and ruler under God. Abram gave a tithe to Mel here. This is mentioned later. "Salem"- the name means "peace." Mel was the King of "Peace." This looks like it refers to someone with SIMILARITIES to Mel, but who is very different from Mel HIMSELF. The lack of detail of "the order of Melchizedek" has been exploited by lots of people who've claimed to know what it meant- or claimed they were in that same Order. It seems to me this obviously claims similarities between Jesus and Mel. Again, it seems obvious. More information finally comes here: The inferiority of the order of Levi, the Levites, is shown with the order of Melchizedek. Mel, it says, does not have a geneology that is traced from them. THAT's what it seems is meant by him not having "father" "mother" "geneology", etc. His priesthood was not based on BLOODLINE, nor descent. it was based on an anointing from God, and obedience to God. Moses spoke concerning priests of the tribe of LEVI, not of others. Jesus didn't come from Levi-Jesus came from JUDAH, i.e. NOT LEVI. Similarly, Mel didn't come from Levi. That's the tribe that officiates from the altar. Jesus and Mel both were obedient to God, not Levites, were/will be secular rulers as well as priests of God. Their priesthood isn't conditional on bloodline-and thus not subject to annulment. I say this is clear Mel was "a type" of the Christ to come, just as other things pointed to Christ. However, Mel was no more Jesus HIMSELF than the brass serpent in the wilderness was Jesus HIMSELF. John 3:14-15. 4And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Genesis 14. (NASB) 14-20. 14When Abram heard that his relative had been taken captive, he led out his trained men, born in his house, three hundred and eighteen, and went in pursuit as far as Dan. 15He divided his forces against them by night, he and his servants, and defeated them, and pursued them as far as Hobah, which is north of Damascus. 16He brought back all the goods, and also brought back his relative Lot with his possessions, and also the women, and the people. 17Then after his return from the defeat of Chedorlaomer and the kings who were with him, the king of Sodom went out to meet him at the valley of Shaveh (that is, the King's Valley). 18And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; now he was a priest of God Most High. 19He blessed him and said, "Blessed be Abram of God Most High, Possessor of heaven and earth; 20And blessed be God Most High, Who has delivered your enemies into your hand." He gave him a tenth of all. ====================== Psalm 110:1-4. 1The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at My right hand Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet." 2The LORD will stretch forth Your strong scepter from Zion, saying, "Rule in the midst of Your enemies." 3Your people will volunteer freely in the day of Your power; In holy array, from the womb of the dawn, Your youth are to You as the dew. 4The LORD has sworn and will not change His mind, "You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek." ======================= Hebrews 5: 1-11. 1For every high priest taken from among men is appointed on behalf of men in things pertaining to God, in order to offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins; 2he can deal gently with the ignorant and misguided, since he himself also is beset with weakness; 3and because of it he is obligated to offer sacrifices for sins, as for the people, so also for himself. 4And no one takes the honor to himself, but receives it when he is called by God, even as Aaron was. 5So also Christ did not glorify Himself so as to become a high priest, but He who said to Him, "YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"; 6just as He says also in another passage, "YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK." 7In the days of His flesh, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety. 8Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered. 9And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, 10being designated by God as a high priest according to the order of Melchizedek. 11Concerning him we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. ========================= Hebrews 6:19-20. 19This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, a hope both sure and steadfast and one which enters within the veil, 20where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek. ======================== Hebrews 7:1-17 1For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham as he was returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, 2to whom also Abraham apportioned a tenth part of all the spoils, was first of all, by the translation of his name, king of righteousness, and then also king of Salem, which is king of peace. 3Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually. 4Now observe how great this man was to whom Abraham, the patriarch, gave a tenth of the choicest spoils. 5And those indeed of the sons of Levi who receive the priest's office have commandment in the Law to collect a tenth from the people, that is, from their brethren, although these are descended from Abraham. 6But the one whose genealogy is not traced from them collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed the one who had the promises. 7But without any dispute the lesser is blessed by the greater. 8In this case mortal men receive tithes, but in that case one receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives on. 9And, so to speak, through Abraham even Levi, who received tithes, paid tithes, 10for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him. 11Now if perfection was through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the people received the Law), what further need was there for another priest to arise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be designated according to the order of Aaron? 12For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also. 13For the one concerning whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no one has officiated at the altar. 14For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, a tribe with reference to which Moses spoke nothing concerning priests. 15And this is clearer still, if another priest arises according to the likeness of Melchizedek, 16who has become such not on the basis of a law of physical requirement, but according to the power of (an indestructible life. 17For it is attested of Him, "YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK."

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10122203-75.html An unpatched security hole in Internet Explorer that is being exploited affects all versions of the browser, making it more serious than originally believed when it was first publicized two days ago, Microsoft says. Microsoft is investigating reports of attacks against a new vulnerability in IE but said in an update to a security advisory issued late on Thursday that all versions of IE are potentially vulnerable. http://reddevnews.com/news/article.aspx?editorialsid=10467 As expected, Microsoft on Wednesday released its second out-of-cycle patch in three months -- this time to plug a widely discussed and "critical" vulnerability in Internet Explorer. This new patch, as described in Microsoft Security Bulletin MS08-078, is designed to thwart a remote code execution exploit that can occur if a user visits a specially crafted Web page using Internet Explorer. The patch applies to IE5.01, IE6 and all versions of IE7 running on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4, Windows XP and XP Professional, Vista, and Windows Server 2003 and 2008.

The references to Chekov makes this "the Naked Time." "The Naked Now" was the "sequel." Which still means Cindy! was correct. I was just clarifying. (Presuming she is correct.)

Those unable to resolve their mid-life crisis shall be cursed to relive it until they do, or until they die.

Ok, the version I'm using, 4.4, has no nag screen. http://www.downloadthat.com/windows/Freewa...y-Registry.html

I don't get a "nag screen" when I use it. Mine's free, period.

Actually, unless you have a better source than mine, what vpw did was ask D**p what it was like to attend an orgy, asked for DETAILS, and told him that orgies were PERMITTED BY GOD. vpw also went to adult bookstores/moviestores. I'm not aware of vpw actually attending an orgy. Mind you, I think he would have shown up, but I don't think he ever got an invitation to one, nor was it the FIRST thing he did at Haight-Ashbury. Well, I can't argue this one. Other than a fine point about whether vpw actually attended an orgy, or WANTED TO and said God was cool with them, I agree. The man should have been put in prison for his crimes against women. Sadly, he was too clever, and covered his tracks to well, carefully selecting his targets, times and places, and covering his tracks afterwards. To me, that shows a depraved conscience, that one can do all the things that go into that entire SYSTEM.

For registy cleaning, I've found that the best program for me, for cleaning old entries and leaving everything else alone, is "Clean My Registry." As one would expect with me recommending it, it's freeware. http://www.topshareware.com/Clean-My-Regis...nload-41588.htm

The "small adjustment" is the time it takes to get used to the differences. People here said I'd wonder why I waited so long to switch. They were right. Reasons I recommend Firefox over IE: 1) Security. Security updates are made available for Firefox a LOT faster than for IE. Remember, IE is a Microsoft product. Microsoft's assumptions are that they know what you want, and you need to be convinced to conform. 2) Firefox is CUSTOMIZABLE. With Add-Ons, Firefox can get lots of things to make it more the way you like it. My way involves lots of security and ways to find information. 3) Firefox is consistent across platforms. If you ever move on to Linux or Mac, you already know Firefox, which means you already know a browser compatible with that. 4) Firefox is not proprietary. The more you depend on any one company's software, the more that company owns your computing and internet experiences. I use Windows, and the O/S is most of what I use from Microsoft. 5) Ideas. Firefox has lots of good ideas. EVENTUALLY, MS adds a few of them to IE. It wasn't until the government said they were going to recommend Firefox because IE wasn't making a particular security patch that MS came out with the patch. (In HOURS, yet.) IE added popup blocking, and some few Add-Ons. Firefox had them for YEARS before that. That's off the top of my head. I use IE when I HAVE TO. Usually, I don't even have to- Firefox has an Add-On that imitates IE for the few sites that aren't standards-compliant and only work with IE.

http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp IMHO, if you're using IE, you'd be happier using Firefox (after a small adjustment.) http://www.java.com/en/download/windows_xpi.jsp is the Firefox (Windows) version you'd need.

"TM, THC, ESP, LSD they stand for some awful long words. My head was still plumb full of nothing- but it made a nice home for the birds. I sat under teachers who sat under gurus who sat home a'watching TV. And if you know what those guys all do for a living then you know what they did for me."

Are you sure that's NOT the reason she's pushing for him to show up?

Hello. A number of us also had relatively mild experiences in twi. Not everyone was publickly humiliated or assaulted or anything. The people who did those things were still wrong for doing them, even when it wasn't us they did them to. If all you're reading is posts in the "About the Way" forum, you're going to have a slanted view of people's posts here. If you think all we do in our lives is post here, you're going to have a slanted view of our lives. Even the regular posters here have lives outside this board, and those lives don't revolve around this board. We don't sit in dark corners dwelling on the evils done by twi. Perhaps reviewing the other forums in the board will give him a slightly better-balanced view. twi put forth that even THINKING criticism of twi was "thinking evil." We weren't even allowed to THINK for ourselves. Now that we can, honest, open criticism is refreshing, and vital. Not only that, but some people are eager to rewrite history, and pretend nothing bad ever happened. If we let them, they'd put forth a diet of lies that would leave more people to be hurt.

Can only go SO low. OPEC's planning on lowering production/supply, in order to increase the price/demand. Until we free ourselves of most of our need for foreign oil, this country will be at the mercy of OPEC.

I'm not sure. I've been following the thread since it began, whether or not I posted.

You did-except you dropped the "" at the end. Each change of the text needs a "[type of change]" at the beginning and a "[/type of change]" at the end. (Without quotation marks, of course.) So, I can manually add quotes by using the brackets and "quote". Please note that if I make the slightest error with the markers, the quotes, the boldface, whatever, won't format. If it's not closed perfectly, or not opened perfectly, the effect doesn't appear at all.

That, BTW, was common for both vpw AND lcm. Corps Week was when the Corps got together, and was when the Corps did the set-up and assembly of all the physical details needed for the ROA. (Setting up Registration, the tents, Family Tables, food stands...) So, these Corps did setup and met together, then went home. They worked for free for the week preceding ROA. Some people went back home as soon as it was over, and didn't stay a SECOND week to work for free again. "Dr heard about it and reproved everyone in the corps household for the problem, for not helping to put it on." Setting up all that stuff doesn't count as "helping to put it on"? That was a week's free labour! "Reproved" them? He should have THANKED them for the free labour! After all, there WAS an admission, we DID PAY for setup, so things COULD have been done with local workers, providing work for labourers locally. Of course, that would mean vpw would have to accept seeing money exit. What was his lame excuse? "He reminded everyone of the commitments that they had made regarding a lifetime of Christian service." They served a week of hard labour. What about that? Further, when did "a lifetime of Christian service" become synonymous with "involuntary servitude for life at the whims of twi"? I don't remember MANDATORY ROA attendance being required in the corps signups-did anyone sign such a document? "Every corps person needs to plan ahead one year or more so that they can be a part of these events. They need to be able to be a part of ROA and corps fellowship." It occasionally came as a surprise to those people who never actually WORKED for a living (vpw went straight from school into pastoring, lcm went straight from school into the way corps), but REAL jobs have REQUIREMENTS and RESPONSIBILITIES. All these people made arrangements for a VACATION WEEK from work (for some of them, this was their ONLY vacation, or was unpaid leave), paid to travel to hq on their own from all over the country, and WORKED for a week, unpaid. Now you have the nerve to say "Not good enough-work MORE for free!" NO! These people have families to support, jobs to perform, and lives to maintain. If they leave, it's because they HAVE to, not because they WANT to, simp! At the very least, you owed them profound thanks. To insult them after they worked for free is lacking in character, lacking in integrity, and lacking in Christian values. So, to you who said this, I say "F* you, AND the motorcycle you rode in on!!!!" Or, as Andy Kaufman once said, " You, sir, are a f*ing @$$h*, a F*ing @$$h*, a F*ING @$$H*!!!! "

Hm. Took me a while to get back in and post. Sluggish server on site. Oh, well. Now, the reason I posted that story.... So, someone might be deliberately or accidentally obtuse and say "Skippy was annoyed at how much money a pie costs!" but he was rather clear that wasn't the REAL issue.

Here's a different story that has no connection to twi. ========================== his story is specifically why people I know thought I should keep writing stuff. It never made it to my list, because I never received any orders governing it. Early on in my military career, way back when I was a PFC, my Battalion would occasionally have “Fun Runs”. A Fun Run is just like running for several miles. Except that it’s fun. Because people that outrank you say so. This is pretty much the Army equivalent to declaring “Our office is so much fun! On Friday we get to wear Hawaiian shirts!” It’s awesome if you happen to love Hawaiian shirts, but just kinda sucks if you have taste. One of the features of the Fun Run was that afterward the Battalion would gather together and hold a pie auction. The point of the pie auction was that if you bought a pie, you could pick any soldier who was present, and hit them with the pie. So as you can imagine, an awful lot of repressed rage got transferred into pie kinetics after these runs. The important thing to know here is that by tradition, the first pie always got thrown at the Battalion Commander. This whole exercise was to raise money for the Battalion Family Support Group. In theory, this was an organization that would help the families of deployed soldiers manage during the long separations that military life often inflicts. But in reality, FSG was more like a cross between the homeowners association from a sit-com, and a social club for unemployable wives of military officers. And when I say social club, imagine the kind that gets taken down a peg by a scrappy band of misfits in an 80’s comedy movie. To sum this up: the Family Support Group was not very popular with most of the soldiers. The night before one of these delightful Fun Runs, I received special instructions. “Bring in a pie for the auction.” I’m not sure how much the pay has gone up, but back in those days if a Private First Class had a child he automatically qualified for food stamps. So I didn’t have much money. And most of what I did have was generally earmarked for important things, like strippers and alcohol, and more strippers. A pie doesn’t cost that much I guess. But it was the principle that bothered me. The Army has billions of dollars and I have barely any. And now they want me to buy stuff for them. Now technically, it wasn’t an order. It would be against regulations for my supervisor to *order* me to spend my own money on the Family Support Group. It was just, technically, a suggestion. And it’s just peachy to make suggestions. And if soldiers choose not to follow the suggestions, well, someone has to be assigned to that toilet cleaning detail. So that night, I went out and I bought a premade pie crust. And a tub of Cool Whip. And then I stopped by a Korean grocery store and purchased a whole, frozen squid. And sprinkles. I got back to the barracks, and started the preparations for the morning. Which pretty much just means I started thawing the squid in a shower stall. My roommate was a bit surprised when he got back. “Is that a squid in our shower?” “Yep.” “What’s it doing in there.” “Thawing.” “Goodnight.” The next morning I packed it all in a cooler, and set out for the Fun Run. After about three miles of fun the Battalion gathered for the auction. I quickly assembled the secret weapon, and added it to the pie table. I then notified the auctioneer about my special pie. Of course she selected my pie for the first auction. The bidding started fairly briskly, as many people wanted to hit our Commander with a pie. But soon enough bidding started to peter out, and that’s when the auctioneer let everyone in on the secret. “This is a special pie.” “What’s so special about it?” called someone in the crowd. “It’s a squid pie.” “I beg your pardon?” said the Commander “I said it’s a squid pie sir.” “There’s no such thing.” So she reached in, pulled out a tentacle, and waved at the Commander with it. “WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?” asked the Commander with, all things considered, a reasonable tone of voice. “It’s a tentacle sir.” “PIE DOESN’T HAVE TENTACLES!” “Normally you’d be correct. But this is a squid pie sir.” And the bidding immediately picked up again. My pie raised close to five hundred dollars, which was a new record for the pie auction. I didn’t get into any trouble because nobody wanted to look like a bad sport. And I got to watch my CO take a high velocity mollusk to the kisser, which is a good morning no matter what branch of the military you are in. ==================================

Actually, $200 was maybe a whole year. It went up from $100 to $200, then back to $100. The reason it was doubled- the claim was "it's worth thousands, so it's actually a deal at $200" but the unspoken reason was that the price was raised as long as people could be found to pay the higher price. $100 was outrageous, but $200 was a transparent grab for money. (No, the $200 class didn't offer any more books than the $100. The $85 class offered a few books that-retail- weren't worth the difference between the $45 class and the $85 class. At least that was a PRETENSE at justifying the increased pricetag. A lie, but at least an ATTEMPT to make it sound reasonable. Since $200 didn't work, the price came down to $100. And that came down eventually as all the suckers who were willing to pay $100 were already sold. See, Adam Smith's "invisible hand" determined the price of pfal. There's price, and demand. As the price went up, demand went down- fewer people were willing to pay $85 or $100 rather than $40 or $45. As the price came back down, demand went up- more people are willing to pay $45 for a Bible class than $85. Offering it at $40 and $45 were smarter in the long run-since it meant twi caught more pigeons they could then convince to give up 10% of their income.

Ultimately, the only PROFESSIONAL contribution that could come from anyone "on the field" was whatever they HAD to offer. The only thing vpw was willing to spend any money on to guarantee a PROFESSIONAL level (as opposed to just putting out the minimum amount of money to get something done) was DALE CARNEGIE SALES COURSES. That's right- the only PROFESSIONAL training the Corps ever got was DALE CARNEGIE SALES COURSES. Nothing on counseling, or any subject that was actually covered IN the Corps- only HOW TO SELL A PRODUCT. What is the reason someone's expenses prioritize HOW TO SELL A PRODUCT? Right- their primary interest is in SELLING A PRODUCT. What is the reason someone prioritizes SELLING A PRODUCT? Right-their primary interest is in MAKING MONEY. That makes sense for a business, but not a supposed "ministry", something to supposedly "serve God." "Freely have you received- freely give." I didn't see EITHER at twi- receiving cost $$ for each class, and each event. "Giving" was the same.

I'm confident you didn't mean it QUITE the way that sounded. Care to explain or rephrase that comment? I think that would certainly sit better with a lot of people. Certainly, when certain people *coughJALcough* communicate with us, it's generally both INDIRECT ("I imagine this will somehow find its way online") and an ADVERTISEMENT ("check out our website and buy our books and tapes"), and then he vanishes, communicating only when HE can control the venue- thus, the microphone and the rules. Communicating HERE (or, to the point, on "neutral ground" when he's not in charge and can't just insist something be closed, deleted, etc when he wants) is something he gave up on a long time ago. Certainly, continuing to post- without making each post a "buy my stuff" post- is a positive step. Continuing open dialogue is another positive step.