WordWolf

Well, that's not incorrect...

"What you feel is what you are and what you are is beautiful"

It would certainly please twi....

POP=Passing of the Patriarch, and the ensuing hijinks connected with it. The Greasespot 101 forum has a "Wayspeak and Greasespotspeak" thread which may come in handy. Oh, and hello. :)

Oh, good, someone beat me to it. Both quotes involved scenes with Tackleberry, possibly the funniest scenes in the movie. (Ok, except for some of Michael Winslow's scenes.) First one was at the Academy pistol range. His first shot EXPLODED the target. "Would you mind if I held that for a while?"(Something like that.) The other was his big chance to shoot on the street-but he got there too late. My cryptic joke was on the oft-repeated line from the commercials. A brat wouldn't leave a car, so his Mom asked a passing policeman (Tackleberry) to help. The kid insisted he would leave "when he's ready." "You're ready NOW, mister!" *fires teargas canister into car* "Thanks officer!" (Something like that.)

I noticed you left out anyplace where rascal actually SAID anything you're accusing her of. Never let it be said you'll let truth and honesty stand in the path of your defense of vpw. Galatians 5 interferes with a defense of vpw, so it must be discredited. rascal quotes Galatians 5, so she must be discredited. Neither rascal nor "fundamentalist Christians all over" ever say a Christian is "perfect with no sin nature." That's an invented strawman position of John (and vpw defenders) used to pretend other Christians are unreasonable and overly legalistic. Galatians 5:16-25. KJV 16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Galatians 5:16-25 NASB 16But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. 17For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. 19Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, 21envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. ============ Pretty simple to understand. Which does not negate Galatians 5, which means we have to actually UNDERSTAND WHAT THE VERSES MEANrather than just blow off Galatians 5:21 because it doesn't match our theology or opinion of vpw. As reported by many eyewitnesses. And according to Galatians 5:21, people who do SOME of the things vpw did "shall not inherit the kingdom of God." I'm not sure PRECISELY what that means, but it sounds serious. Can a Christian do that? If so, it will cost him the kingdom of God. I still don't know PRECISELY what it means, but it sounds serious. That is true. Christians also shouldn't distort the truth and lie about other Christians,but that doesn't mean all Christians wouldn't. A true Christian shouldn't demonize his fellow Christians for disagreeing with his doctrine, yet it happens too. A true Christian shouldn't forsake loving his neighbor as himself, yet it happens, too. Possibly true-since the true performers of evil acts never posted "here." Possibly NOT true, since I don't know HER private life nor anyone else's here- and supposing one does is ridiculous, but illogical, untruthful, emotion-based attackers certainly can PRETEND they do. Or with lies, illogic, or personal attacks, for that matter.

It does suck. And periodically, GSC has these nasty, petty little squabbles. However, we get past them and move on. Sometimes the staff has to play "parent" before it does, but eventually it passes.

"He may have been a hero... he may even have been a great man... but in the end, he was a bad captain." "I came to see Ferenginar. I've heard a lot about it -- I can't wait to see all the... the rain... and the muck... "But this is work for a... a mechanic. A repairman. A lowly engineer." "I'm going to tell Chief O'Brien you said that." "It's the Defiant!" "What??" "Thank you... sir?" "'Sir' is correct, ensign...." "Our mission was to circumnavigate the entire Federation before returning home." "So... uh... where are you from?" "Me? Tycho City." "Oh... a Lunar Schooner." "(grins) I haven't heard that in a long time." "I picked it up from my grandpa. Of course, he still calls Luna The Moon -- like it's the only one or something." "Well, nobody who's ever lived on the Moon calls it "Luna," either. That's just something they say on Earth." "Sir, the Engine Room also reports that we still have power spikes cropping up all through the deuterium injector startup routine." "I thought we had that under control." "I did too, sir." "Have you recalibrated the lateral impulse control system?" "No. What does that have to do with the injectors?" "Well, the impulse system shares some of the same power relays used in the injector startup routine." "Like that other one... the, uh... uh -- the Republic." "Not quite. The Republic's an old ship -- I don't think she's left the Terran System in fifty years." "As of this moment, you're chief engineer. Congratulations." "Chief Engineer?" "With the rank of lieutenant commander. Your first assignment is to figure out why we can't go above warp three point two."

Is it that Redman song, "Because I Got High"? That song sounds a LOT stranger when it's being played by a live marching band, I say.

Right- wisdom is justified of her children.

Says the guy who kept saying "stick strictly to the topic of the thread. Well, SIT is something we learned taking pfal, and you still believe it. It's about as on-topic as anything anyone's brought up.

"He may have been a hero... he may even have been a great man... but in the end, he was a bad captain." "I came to see Ferenginar. I've heard a lot about it -- I can't wait to see all the... the rain... and the muck... "But this is work for a... a mechanic. A repairman. A lowly engineer." "I'm going to tell Chief O'Brien you said that." "It's the Defiant!" "What??" "Thank you... sir?" "'Sir' is correct, ensign...." "Our mission was to circumnavigate the entire Federation before returning home." "So... uh... where are you from?" "Me? Tycho City." "Oh... a Lunar Schooner." "(grins) I haven't heard that in a long time." "I picked it up from my grandpa. Of course, he still calls Luna The Moon -- like it's the only one or something." "Well, nobody who's ever lived on the Moon calls it "Luna," either. That's just something they say on Earth."

Maybe 1/4 chagrined. But we'll take whatever we can get. (Whoever? Whatever.)

It was never stated Lily HAD a Patronus. Not every wizard DOES- only those that master the Patronus Charm. We can safely infer she DID have one because her wand was good for Charms (therefore, it was a strength of HERS as well) and she was a member of the Order-and their standard method of communication was the Patronus Charm. JKR said this on her website a few times, and we saw Kingsley use it in Book 7 in the manner they did. (We saw the delivery end in Book 4 and Book 6, by Dumbledore and Tonks, respectively.) I still feel that dig was inconsistent with the complete picture of Snape-since I feel it elevates him from "annoying" to "a-hole". However, I'm not the author, and it IS open to interpretation. It was explained partly in Book 7. I forget if it was Kingsley who cast it (was it Mad-Eye?) It was, in effect, a magical trap, programmed to reset and attack, trying to hit Snape. I'll have to be in the mood to read the book a second time to know for sure, and that hasn't happened yet.

John, have you ever considered making the effort to indicate what's a quote and what's your reply? That last post was one of your more confused muddles, and I get dizzy trying to untangle the spaghetti. You've been here for years now. It's not rocket science. Do SOMETHING visually to mark the 2 as different, please!

It says it right there in the KING JAMES VERSION, which it does NOT say in the originals, as holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. The word "study" there is an ERROR which exists in the King James Version, but not in other versions. ======= II Timothy 2:15 KJV 15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. II Timothy 2:15 NASB 15Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. II Timothy 2:15 NIV 15Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. ======= You should remember the Greek word "spoudazo", to put forth a diligent effort. There's nothing about "studying" in it. That's why the KJV isn't joined by many other versions in this error. (I imagine there's a few versions that will agree if one looks hard enough.) One of the problems with the pfal class-and twi in general- was that when the KJV phraseology matched vpw's theology, then the KJV phrasing was held to be the true and correct one- despite existing only in the KJV and not in the Hebrew or Greek. So, this "study" thing was ADDING a word. And when you ADD to God's Word, do you still have God's Word?

No, what you wrote wasn't that funny. I was just surprised, you're not ready to answer this now?

"He may have been a hero... he may even have been a great man... but in the end, he was a bad captain." "I came to see Ferenginar. I've heard a lot about it -- I can't wait to see all the... the rain... and the muck... "But this is work for a... a mechanic. A repairman. A lowly engineer." "I'm going to tell Chief O'Brien you said that." "It's the Defiant!" "What??"

We're talking twi here. A Christian leader cuts associations with twi. The story going around twi is that he's "possessed" and/or "born of the wrong seed." Do I know that was used to apply to this Christian leader? No, but since it was STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE, frankly, I'd be more surprised if they DIDN'T say that about him. It's been applied to MANY OF US since WE left, although for most of us it was softened to "sold out to the world", but some of us DID get that one.

Going back to the initial statement... I'm sure there ARE people who will say that statement A=statement B. There are also people who say that the space program is faked, the earth is flat, and that pfal is superior to the Bible. HOWEVER, those people are not representative of the population or their respective subcultures as a whole, and, as such, it is INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST to pretend that they are representative of anything but their own personal positions. Therefore, let's freely admit that Trinitarians, as a whole, say Statement A AND Statement B, but don't say "these are the same thing." They say "these are both true and both apply." That having been said, it is sometimes possible to get a knee-jerk reaction from a Christian who will rattle off that they ARE the same if asked and pressed on it. I don't consider that a particularly HONEST method to find out what someone believes or how they explain it. But, they are 2 different statements, and those who believe both claim that both apply but not, generally, that they are the same statement.

For those who missed that and are following along from home, I shall break it down. There are 2 statements. For discussion, we shall limit ourselves to 2 specific statements. A) Jesus is the Son of God. In other words, Jesus of Nazareth was and is The Messiah, The one and only Son of God, pre-eminent among God's children and worthy of greater honours then they, both from his position "genetically" and from his own acts which showed him finer than any other human that ever walked the earth, showing he was worthy of the honours God Almighty granted him. B) Jesus is God the Son. In other words, Jesus of Nazareth was and is The Messiah, The Son of God, who, in addition to honours granted Him by His Father by virtue of His birth, was and is eternally part of God, as co-equal with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. For discussion, we shall simplify the positions of most Christians. We shall say that ex-twi non-Trinitarian Christians believe the first statement. (We're skipping all minority positions for this discussion.) We shall say that Trinitarian Christians believe both the first and second statements. (We're skipping all minority positions for this discussion.) We'll come back to that in a minute. ========= As of the time I'm posting this, George W. Bush is the President of the United States. As of the time I'm posting this, George W. Bush is Commander-in-Chief of the United States. So, let the statements be represented as follows: H) George W. Bush is President of the US. I) George W. Bush is Commander-in-Chief of the US. Can he be both at the same time? Yes. Do both apply to him correctly? Yes. Does that mean that H=I, that President=Commander-in-Chief? No, those are 2 different statements. However, both apply to him, although they mean 2 different things. =========== Going back to the initial statement....

=== II Timothy 2:15 KJV 15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. II Timothy 2:15 NASB 15Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. II Timothy 2:15 NIV 15Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. ======= I think Raf was the first person I heard, way back when, who mentioned that this verse doesn't say "God approves of us because we rightly-divide God's Word, and that the "showing" isn't to show God "see, you should approve me." God loves us unconditionally. We may put forth to God that He was right to do so, and do this via rightly-dividing God's Word, as a workman who can take pride in doing his work right, but this doesn't win God's approval. I don't remember ANY of this being taught in twi or pfal, IN PASSING even, but that IS what the verse means. In pfal, this verse was used to suggest the opposite, that God cares most that we rightly-divide God's Word, and that other concerns are secondary. Therefore, we are primarily to learn how to rightly-divide God's Word. Therefore, the most important thing to do is to take the pfal class and apply ourselves to that, the most important class, which handles the most important subject, which you can take now... I'm thankful to have learned value in the Bible, but this verse was mistaught, AND used deceptively to puff up the pfal class. Hey, if you know he broke the law and plagiarized and don't care, well, that's that.If you understand the issues and made the choice not to care, then we disagree and that's all there is to it. NOBODY considers that plagiarism, because that's not what plagiarism IS. The only time I ever hear THAT discussed is when someone who tries to excuse vpw- and it's always vpw, never other plagiarists- by changing the meaning of plagiarism, watering it down, and making it look like plagiarism really isn't a big deal, and that it's ok even if he DID do it. This is simple. If you're in a chemistry class, and the teacher teaches chemistry, and even quotes extensively from the assigned textbook, that is not plagiarism. If you learn chemistry and can teach someone else, that's not plagiarism. If you take the chemistry textbook from that other class, cut-and-paste the contents and print out another textbook with the contents of the first one, and sell it to students in YOUR chemistry class, with your name as author on the textbook, THAT is plagiarism. Written forms of plagiarism are easier to document, especially when a supposed author takes the material from one book to a LARGE degree, and refuses to cite that book in his own book as a source. Teachers, to a degree, are EXPECTED to draw from other sources. They are NOT expected to make specific statements to the effect that THEY are the SOLE AUTHOR of material in their classes. When vpw did that-in pfal- he plagiarized in the class as well as in the textbooks. But "needs and wants parallel" are not from "the Word of Truth". They're not Biblical. It is possible that-as well as you're able to recite the material and present it to others- that you don't understand the underlying subjects as well as you think you do. That's a possibility. I'm just saying.

Do they want to please God, or do they want the money and power MORE? It's a simple question.... They don't even need a title- God doesn't need people holding out for titles or even official organizations.

He cut his associations VERY early in twi history. He hasn't shared with us his reasons for doing so. Since he's obviously acting as a Christian, and doesn't appear to be in it for the money, one can SPECULATE that vpw attempted to hijack his ministry just as he hijacked some of the hippies, and W*de just refused to become part of the twi/pfal sales machine early on. In doing this, he skipped having little surprises like when vpw pushed D00p and H33fn3r aside and took over what they were doing, once they brought in the people in the West and East Coasts. Since he has not stated anything outright-or, for that matter, confirmed anything stated that I recall along those lines, those represent our best guesses. On the other hand, he never volunteered that they separated on GOOD terms, or even NEUTRAL terms, either.

Ok, even if you're not helping, I'll see what I can do on my own here. I personally am unaware of any legal wrongdoings by any medical dr in twi or formerly in twi, and among them, I am specifically stating that I am unaware of any legal wrongdoings by W1n*g*rn*r. I am generally unaware of any legal wrongdoings by W1n*g*rn*r as well. Period. ========= That having been stated, there's something that's been raised, and I'd like the input of those who were on grounds and personally know more to try to complete the picture. I THINK I asked that before, but in case I didn't, I'm asking now.