WordWolf

Oldiesman? I say this without any shred of mocking. Mark's comment was about a study of the word "eternal", the Greek word aionion. He gave one meaning for the word. This is a gift-wrapped opportunity for you to demonstrate your skills at "Biblical research." You claim you learned lots of stuff in twi- which supposedly stressed Bible study. I've never questioned that either of those was true- but this means you should be ready to respond to questions with Bible study rather than rhetoric. Come on! I think this is a good chance to see you strut your stuff! Mark put forth an "argument" for his position using Scripture. Let's see your "counter-argument" from Scripture as well. Otherwise, it's like you're conceding the point completely.

A) This is NOT "hitting." I can point you to some of my former posts that might qualify for that term. The 'kid-gloves' are most definitely 'on' at the moment. B) I didn't see Mark ask you about the Trinity-I saw you inject it into the thread. At the moment, we at the GSC (the staff, and thus those of us who choose to cooperate with the staff) are asking that threads not be hijacked nor derailed. As a poster, you've gone out of your way to drop this subject into threads where a crowbar was needed to fit it. Even if I agreed with your position, it's poor "netiquette", and not in harmony with the letter or intent for harmonious discussion here. He asked you what you believe ON THE TOPIC WE ARE DISCUSSING- whether OSAS is true or not. He also said that- What "really annoys me" is something I find GREATLY TIRESOME. My brethen in Christ seem to rarely tire of biting and devouring one another, with little concern whether they're devouring one another. Mainly, they do this by picking a doctrine-and by this point, it could be ANY doctrine- and declare that Christians who disagree with them on this doctrine are NOT Christian, NOT saved, etc. etc. I can ramble on this subject with a functional analysis on this, but I doubt you'll want some Sociology on the subject. It wasn't sarcasm you detected, but weariness. I never said "don't post on it"- I just asked you post in the appropriate place-its own thread in this very forum. Oh-and you HAVE bit at me. Every single time you've pronounced non-Trinitarian Christians are not even Christians, you've slapped me across the face. You've denied me the right to call myself a Christian, or a disciple of Christ in any legitimate fashion. To you, I'm a deluded heretic, apostate, insignificant in the body of Christ because I'm not IN the body of Christ. There's no substantial difference between Oakspear- who proudly upholds his faith and is a non-Christian- and me- who proudly upholds my faith as a Christian- with the exception that he's telling the truth and I'm a FRAUD. On the other hand, I never even suggested YOU'RE not a Christian. It "SEEMS" you're missing what I SAID. I said NOTHING about being "SILENT." My suggestion would have STARTED A DISCUSSION ON YOUR FAVORITE TOPIC. How is that "silencing" you? Considering how you've insulted me-and don't even think of it as an INSULT- I think I've been QUITE kind. I have spoken the truth. Whether or not it's not "in love" because you disagree with it, or because it's not the nicest tone (even Jesus knew there were times to change your tone), some people would say it was "in love." (Of course, you're free to think they're deluded...) Look, this is simple. You can speak on any thread-so long as it's on topic for that thread. If no thread is on topic for what you want to speak on, you can make a new thread for which that IS the topic. ============ In other news.... Everyone else? I'm sorry. I consider this post off-topic. Under the circumstances, I thought it was necessary. If this goes further, I'll take it to another thread or a private discussion.

The "salad" line rings a bell, but I don't have it yet.

"Shine On, You Crazy Diamond." I read once where someone had a senior dance in high school where the adults were being especially restrictive, and the teens requested THIS song as the last song of the night. Slow dance, seven minutes PLUS, and the adults just had to let it go.... :)

Geisha. if you MUST take us down that road again, please make a new thread for it. (Or you can revive an old one, but in this particular case, that may not work best for you.)

I used to "time out" every once in a while, but I'm careful to refresh a window while I'm composing long posts now, so that doesn't happen. If your Firefox configurations are set to "refuse cookies" you may have trouble with messageboards. I had accidentally set that, and was wondering why a different board wasn't letting me log in. I figured it out when I checked my settings.

Nato, I appreciate your sentiment, but I think you just read too much into the TITLE without reading the opening post. Here's part of it....

*reads* I have to Bookmark this comic strip for later. I keep forgetting....

It IS "Taxi Driver." I was thinking I was going to have to post "You talking to me?" to get a response-or that the players were messing with me and playing silent. ====== Ok, your turn to post one.

Correct! I'm a little surprised you didn't give the full title- "I Would Do Anything For Love (But I Won't Do That)". I was alluding to that. There's 5 things he says he won't do in the song. I quoted the last 2. "After a while you'll forget everything. It was a brief interlude and a midsummer night's fling. And you'll see that it's time to move on" "I won't do that. I won't do that." "I know the territory, I've been around- It'll all turn to dust and we'll all fall down. Sooner or later you'll be screwing around." "I won't do that No, I won't do that."

"We meet at a crossroads in history. No longer will the wrong roads be taken." "Now back to Gene Krupa's syncopated style." "I would say he has quite a few problems. His energy seems to go in the wrong places. When I walked in and I saw you two sitting there, I could just tell by the way you were both relating that there was no connection whatsoever. And I felt when I walked in that there was something between us. There was an impulse that we were both following. So that gave me the right to come in and talk to you. Otherwise I never would have felt that I had the right to talk to you or say anything to you. I never would have had the courage to talk to you. And with him I felt there was nothing and I could sense it. When I walked in, I knew I was right. Did you feel that way?" "June twenty-ninth. I gotta get in shape. Too much sitting has ruined my body. Too much abuse has gone on for too long. From now on there will be 50 pushups each morning, 50 pullups. There will be no more pills, no more bad food, no more destroyers of my body. From now on will be total organization. Every muscle must be tight. " "You're a young girl, you should be at home. You should be dressed up, going out with boys, going to school, you know, that kind of stuff." "The days go on and on... they don't end. All my life needed was a sense of someplace to go. I don't believe that one should devote his life to morbid self-attention, I believe that one should become a person like other people." "Loneliness has followed me my whole life. Everywhere. In bars, in cars, sidewalks, stores, everywhere. There's no escape. I'm God's lonely man... June 8th. My life has taken another turn again. The days can go on with regularity over and over, one day indistinguishable from the next. A long continuous chain. Then suddenly, there is a change." "Now I see this clearly. My whole life is pointed in one direction. There never has been a choice for me." "Wanna work uptown nights? South Bronx? Harlem?" "I'll work anytime, anywhere." "Will you work Jewish holidays?" "Anytime, anywhere." "I got some bad ideas in my head." "You got a .44 magnum?" "It's an expensive weapon." "That's all right. I got money." "It's a real monster. It'll stop a car at a hundred yards. Put a round right through the engine block." "You’re a young girl, you should be at home. You should be dressed up, going out with boys, going to school, you know, that kind of stuff." "I'll tell you why. I think you're a lonely person. I drive by this place a lot and I see you here. I see a lot of people around you. And I see all these phones and all this stuff on your desk. It means nothing. Then when I came inside and I met you, I saw in your eyes and I saw the way you carried yourself that you're not a happy person. And I think you need something. And if you want to call it a friend, you can call it a friend."

"After a while you'll forget everything. It was a brief interlude and a midsummer night's fling. And you'll see that it's time to move on." "I know the territory, I've been around. It'll all turn to dust and we'll all fall down. Sooner or later you'll be screwing around."

"We meet at a crossroads in history. No longer will the wrong roads be taken." "Now back to Gene Krupa's syncopated style." "I would say he has quite a few problems. His energy seems to go in the wrong places. When I walked in and I saw you two sitting there, I could just tell by the way you were both relating that there was no connection whatsoever. And I felt when I walked in that there was something between us. There was an impulse that we were both following. So that gave me the right to come in and talk to you. Otherwise I never would have felt that I had the right to talk to you or say anything to you. I never would have had the courage to talk to you. And with him I felt there was nothing and I could sense it. When I walked in, I knew I was right. Did you feel that way?" "June twenty-ninth. I gotta get in shape. Too much sitting has ruined my body. Too much abuse has gone on for too long. From now on there will be 50 pushups each morning, 50 pullups. There will be no more pills, no more bad food, no more destroyers of my body. From now on will be total organization. Every muscle must be tight. " "You're a young girl, you should be at home. You should be dressed up, going out with boys, going to school, you know, that kind of stuff." "The days go on and on... they don't end. All my life needed was a sense of someplace to go. I don't believe that one should devote his life to morbid self-attention, I believe that one should become a person like other people." "Loneliness has followed me my whole life. Everywhere. In bars, in cars, sidewalks, stores, everywhere. There's no escape. I'm God's lonely man... June 8th. My life has taken another turn again. The days can go on with regularity over and over, one day indistinguishable from the next. A long continuous chain. Then suddenly, there is a change." "Now I see this clearly. My whole life is pointed in one direction. There never has been a choice for me." "Wanna work uptown nights? South Bronx? Harlem?" "I'll work anytime, anywhere." "Will you work Jewish holidays?" "Anytime, anywhere." "I got some bad ideas in my head." "You got a .44 magnum?" "It's an expensive weapon." "That's all right. I got money." "It's a real monster. It'll stop a car at a hundred yards. Put a round right through the engine block."

The bassline on that album just rocks. =========== Ok, next song. "After a while you'll forget everything. It was a brief interlude and a midsummer night's fling. And you'll see that it's time to move on."

*keeps trying to hum his way through* How about Dire Straits' "Tunnel of Love"?

I'm confident the staff can see the relevance of analogies, examples and comparison, and can distinguish between them and going off-topic.

I thought it was obvious Jesus was using hyberbole. NEVER use the term "teacher"? The terms "teacher", "leader"/"master", and "father" have legitimate, technical uses. However, each term can be easily abused-used to confer inappropriate levels of authority or power upon someone, robbing others of their rightful places, and robbing THAT person of theirs- giving them a mantle they can't possibly live up to, even if they think they can.... In the case of what we once did, yes, it WAS up to us to look coldly and say "you're asking for more than your rightful place" or "you're giving him a position reserved for Jesus, and robbing Jesus of his due,"- but those who orchestrated things, who knew better (or should have, for all their claims to understand Scripture) and perpetuated things God said not to do.

Please keep posts on topic. The topic is not the intentions or motives of other posters.

Please keep posts on topic - this topic of this thread is not WhiteDove

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The "year limit" is really a rule of thumb. It tends to work, but there's no REQUIREMENT it be followed. Meanwhile, let's see. This is definitely Dire Straits. I recognize the slot machine lines. Is this just "Espresso Love"?

"We meet at a crossroads in history. No longer will the wrong roads be taken." "Now back to Gene Krupa's syncopated style." "I would say he has quite a few problems. His energy seems to go in the wrong places. When I walked in and I saw you two sitting there, I could just tell by the way you were both relating that there was no connection whatsoever. And I felt when I walked in that there was something between us. There was an impulse that we were both following. So that gave me the right to come in and talk to you. Otherwise I never would have felt that I had the right to talk to you or say anything to you. I never would have had the courage to talk to you. And with him I felt there was nothing and I could sense it. When I walked in, I knew I was right. Did you feel that way?" "June twenty-ninth. I gotta get in shape. Too much sitting has ruined my body. Too much abuse has gone on for too long. From now on there will be 50 pushups each morning, 50 pullups. There will be no more pills, no more bad food, no more destroyers of my body. From now on will be total organization. Every muscle must be tight. " "You're a young girl, you should be at home. You should be dressed up, going out with boys, going to school, you know, that kind of stuff." "The days go on and on... they don't end. All my life needed was a sense of someplace to go. I don't believe that one should devote his life to morbid self-attention, I believe that one should become a person like other people." "Loneliness has followed me my whole life. Everywhere. In bars, in cars, sidewalks, stores, everywhere. There's no escape. I'm God's lonely man... June 8th. My life has taken another turn again. The days can go on with regularity over and over, one day indistinguishable from the next. A long continuous chain. Then suddenly, there is a change." "Now I see this clearly. My whole life is pointed in one direction. There never has been a choice for me."

Well, I think Juedes' description is just OLD. Vince's documentation, some time back, went through considerable contortions to talk around the names of twi, vpw, and so on. It mentioned he'd taught in Zaire, but never under whose aegis. So, there was a time when it was completely accurate to say he was "hiding something". NOW he's mentioning both, so at least that much he's not hiding. If he's hiding anything else, I'm sure I could find out, but I'd have to care more than I do.

Proverbs 12:15 (KJV) The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise. Judges 17:5-13 (KJV) 5And the man Micah had an house of gods, and made an ephod, and teraphim, and consecrated one of his sons, who became his priest. 6In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes. 7And there was a young man out of Bethlehem-judah of the family of Judah, who was a Levite, and he sojourned there. 8And the man departed out of the city from Bethlehem-judah to sojourn where he could find a place: and he came to mount Ephraim to the house of Micah, as he journeyed. 9And Micah said unto him, Whence comest thou? And he said unto him, I am a Levite of Bethlehem-judah, and I go to sojourn where I may find a place. 10And Micah said unto him, Dwell with me, and be unto me a father and a priest, and I will give thee ten shekels of silver by the year, and a suit of apparel, and thy victuals. So the Levite went in. 11And the Levite was content to dwell with the man; and the young man was unto him as one of his sons. 12And Micah consecrated the Levite; and the young man became his priest, and was in the house of Micah. 13Then said Micah, Now know I that the LORD will do me good, seeing I have a Levite to my priest.

I was never deprogrammed. However, I know a bit about the subject. There's 2 types of processes that are called "deprogramming." A) Discussion and comparison of different beliefs, with ex-members discussing doctrine and so on. In some ways, it's not entirely different from what we did after we left twi. B) Kidnapping someone, then brainwashing them (using "forceful indoctrination") until the person is "broken" by the brainwashing and is willing to believe what the brainwasher said. People have been "deprogrammed" this way from Protestantism to Roman Catholicism, from Roman Catholicism to Protestantism, and from atheism to theism, depending on the beliefs of the person paying for the "deprogramming."