WordWolf

Wowzers! Congratulations! As Gallagher said, you don't have a baby-the baby has YOU! I trust you've got your time budgeted accordingly. :) Not to say I'm not happy for you, of course.

Not that it's on topic at all, but I think Paw's made it obvious that he wants posters to post fairly respectfully to each other, and would prefer to not shut ANYONE down, but have them post at their own discretion. (That's pretty much what he's always said.) That having been said, how about we get back to the topic and leave the personal stuff out?

"Sleep Paralysis" may be a LOT more common than actual demonic activity on that level. However, "Sleep Paralysis" doesn't show up abruptly, then leave abruptly and permanently with a spiritual rebuke. If Jonny's description is accurate (and I'm prepared to believe it is) this was no simple "Sleep Paralysis."

As if God couldn't have gotten things done without twi! If vpw hadn't choked and throttled down the ministries of BG Leonard (who became MUCH more quiet after his work was STOLEN by vpw), J1m D00p, St3ve H33fn3r, Fugit (vpw diverted thriving ministries that were ALREADY making the news-that's how he heard about them in the first place-and turned them from primarily promoting God into primarily promoting twi, pfal, etc) and so on..... One might be just as ready to say "If not for vpw and twi, the work they were already doing would have proceeded unimpeded, and so he did the devil's work by turning them from "best" to "good." (To use his OWN terminology.)

Which means it's Steve's turn.....

Psst. Raf? Still your turn...

Well, since it's listed in the birthday queue for the site, I feel little hesitation in officially wishing Raf a HAPPY BIRTHDAY! ("Official" from me-I have not been appointed anyone's spokeswolf.) He finally turns 29 this year.

Just to clear things up and avoid misunderstanding your position.... Do you think it's possible to forgive those despicable people for what they did, and still discuss what they did, warn others to avoid the same trap, and discuss what happened to help others understand why they had to leave or were kicked out? Or does your definition of "forgiveness" mean we would be forbidden to discuss any of that, and accept that if anyone wants to wander into twi nowadays, it's wrong for us to tell them what they're getting into? It's possible you mean either position, and there's some assumptions about what you mean taking place.

First of all, I think Paw and Dan's advice have the correct information and solution in them. Second of all, I agree with Dan-if you look at the same page under Firefox and there's no problem, it's OBVIOUSLY in your IE settings that the problem lies. Third of all, it never hurts to have good programs clean out the pc. I forget if you have the usual programs, but I always recommend, besides a firewall and antivirus (you can get good, free ones of both and I'm sure you have one of each), there's SpywareBlaster Spybot:Search and Destroy AdAware. There's also decent Registry cleaners like Clean My Registry. I'm sure you already downloaded all the updates to Windows that are security-related, when they were released or soon after that.

I know that sometimes teenagers were shown it, under the age of 18. I'm not aware of anyone pre-teen being shown it.

That's it- "the Pegasus", both the ship and the episode. My first comment was -what, when a ship ends up missing, it's always "the Pegasus!" That's because the old Battlestar Galactica's missing Battlestar was the Pegasus, and this ship was the Pegasus, and both turned up later. Yes, this episode featured Admiral Pressman and Riker talking over the mutiny on the ship when the thing looked like the experiments were going to blow up the ship (which it did-because the current tech couldn't safeguard the process, although the Enterprise-D's modern tech could), and Pressman's comments about the Riker he knew-who was a young ensign on the Pegasus, and a memorable exchange between Picard and a Romulan captain, both lying through their teeth, both knowing they were both lying. (I quoted most of the exchange.) I also think that Picard should have been reprimanded severely for his "solution"- unstead of just moving off at impulse speeds at the end of the episode, and letting the Romulans wonder what happened, and guarding NOTHING of value, he had to announce to them exactly what happened and confirm all their suspicions. (Ultimately, all they had were suspicions until that moment.) I'm sure the blatant proof of the violation of the Treaty of Algeron was NOT welcome by the Federation's diplomats.

I think it's VERY interesting that 2 people in the Bible are called "the son of perdition" (or "the son of ruin" depending on your translator), and that's Judas Iscariot, and the man of sins, spoken of as yet to come, who opposes and exalts himself above God and all that is worshipped, so that he sits in the holy of holies, and puts forth that he HIMSELF is God.

What, no Sister Mary Elephant?

"Captain Picard Day is one of the children's favorite school activities. They look forward to it all year." "How long have you had the beard?" "About four years. I think I just got tired of hearing how 'young' I looked." "What was it that Lieutenant Boylen used to call you?" " 'Ensign Babyface.' " "We are conducting a survey of gaseous anomalies." "How interesting. So are we. Perhaps we could combine our efforts and share our findings." "I doubt our objectives are... compatible." "You are probably right." "This has been a most pleasant conversation... but we must return to our research." " Then I won't keep you." "You know... I still think about what happened... about that last day." "So do I. It's not the kind of thing you just forget about." "Do you ever... wonder whether we did the right thing?" "Never. It was a tragedy, yes. But it wasn't your fault and it wasn't mine. What we were doing was for the good of the Federation. We can't blame ourselves because the others couldn't see that." "I know... but maybe we went about it the wrong way." "Well, this time we may have a chance to do it the right way." "You want to try again?" "It's not just me." "The Chief of Starfleet Security has personally assured me of her complete support." "Admiral Raner... ? How many other people know about this?" "Not many. And it's up to us to make sure it stays that way. Raner gave me written orders for you. You'll find them coded in the Enterprise computer. You've been instructed not to reveal the true nature of our mission to anyone, not even Captain Picard. Don't worry... it won't be like it was twelve years ago. This time, no one's going to stop us."" "Frankly, I've always felt it was more important for an officer to trust his captain's judgment. In a crisis, there's no time for explanations... orders have to be obeyed without question or lives may be lost." "I am aware of that, Admiral." "Of course you are. I guess this mission has brought up some... old ghosts for me. You know what it's like to lose a ship... you're always wondering if there was something else you should have done... something you missed." "Twelve years ago, I needed an officer I could count on in a crisis... someone who would support and obey my decisions without question... someone willing to trust my judgment... that someone was Wil Riker... and without his loyalty, none of us would have survived." "We have a chance here to change the balance of power in this quadrant." "Mutiny... on a Federation starship. It's shocking -- no, it's unthinkable. And yet you've never mentioned it." No, sir." " 'The Judge Advocate also believes that the surviving officers are deliberately withholding vital information from this inquiry. Further investigation is recommended.' But there was no further investigation... the file was classified and quietly buried."

II Peter 2:19-22

"Captain Picard Day is one of the children's favorite school activities. They look forward to it all year." "How long have you had the beard?" "About four years. I think I just got tired of hearing how 'young' I looked." "What was it that Lieutenant Boylen used to call you?" " 'Ensign Babyface.' " "We are conducting a survey of gaseous anomalies." "How interesting. So are we. Perhaps we could combine our efforts and share our findings." "I doubt our objectives are... compatible." "You are probably right." "This has been a most pleasant conversation... but we must return to our research." " Then I won't keep you." "You know... I still think about what happened... about that last day." "So do I. It's not the kind of thing you just forget about." "Do you ever... wonder whether we did the right thing?" "Never. It was a tragedy, yes. But it wasn't your fault and it wasn't mine. What we were doing was for the good of the Federation. We can't blame ourselves because the others couldn't see that." "I know... but maybe we went about it the wrong way." "Well, this time we may have a chance to do it the right way." "You want to try again?" "It's not just me." "The Chief of Starfleet Security has personally assured me of her complete support." "Admiral Raner... ? How many other people know about this?" "Not many. And it's up to us to make sure it stays that way. Raner gave me written orders for you. You'll find them coded in the Enterprise computer. You've been instructed not to reveal the true nature of our mission to anyone, not even Captain Picard. Don't worry... it won't be like it was twelve years ago. This time, no one's going to stop us."" "Frankly, I've always felt it was more important for an officer to trust his captain's judgment. In a crisis, there's no time for explanations... orders have to be obeyed without question or lives may be lost." "I am aware of that, Admiral." "Of course you are. I guess this mission has brought up some... old ghosts for me. You know what it's like to lose a ship... you're always wondering if there was something else you should have done... something you missed." "Twelve years ago, I needed an officer I could count on in a crisis... someone who would support and obey my decisions without question... someone willing to trust my judgment... that someone was Wil Riker... and without his loyalty, none of us would have survived."

"Captain Picard Day is one of the children's favorite school activities. They look forward to it all year." "How long have you had the beard?" "About four years. I think I just got tired of hearing how 'young' I looked." "What was it that Lieutenant Boylen used to call you?" " 'Ensign Babyface.' " "We are conducting a survey of gaseous anomalies." "How interesting. So are we. Perhaps we could combine our efforts and share our findings." "I doubt our objectives are... compatible." "You are probably right." "This has been a most pleasant conversation... but we must return to our research." " Then I won't keep you." "You know... I still think about what happened... about that last day." "So do I. It's not the kind of thing you just forget about." "Do you ever... wonder whether we did the right thing?" "Never. It was a tragedy, yes. But it wasn't your fault and it wasn't mine. What we were doing was for the good of the Federation. We can't blame ourselves because the others couldn't see that." "I know... but maybe we went about it the wrong way." "Well, this time we may have a chance to do it the right way." "You want to try again?" "It's not just me." "The Chief of Starfleet Security has personally assured me of her complete support." "Admiral Raner... ? How many other people know about this?" "Not many. And it's up to us to make sure it stays that way. Raner gave me written orders for you. You'll find them coded in the Enterprise computer. You've been instructed not to reveal the true nature of our mission to anyone, not even Captain Picard. Don't worry... it won't be like it was twelve years ago. This time, no one's going to stop us.""

Thanks kindly. Thanks especially for not putting the exact date up- I hate giving my personal identifiers to all of cyberspace. :) I've made as few posts like that. Not here, but I've made them... "Wolfie-fans?" I have fans? *falls over laughing* To quote Hamlet, on fortune's cap I am not the very button, neither the sole of her shoe. (Things haven't been thrilling, but they haven't blown chunks either.) I can say, however, this past year, for me, was a distinct improvement. And of course, thank you to everyone I didn't have a snappy comeback for (Belle, Jeff, RainbowsGirl, bfh, Ham, T-Bone, act2, frank, PurpleDays, doojable, watebuffalo). And thanks to all have thought nicely for me but didn't post.

"Captain Picard Day is one of the children's favorite school activities. They look forward to it all year." "How long have you had the beard?" "About four years. I think I just got tired of hearing how 'young' I looked." "What was it that Lieutenant Boylen used to call you?" " 'Ensign Babyface.' " "We are conducting a survey of gaseous anomalies." "How interesting. So are we. Perhaps we could combine our efforts and share our findings." "I doubt our objectives are... compatible." "You are probably right."

I didn't hear it in twi, or from twi people. However, I did hear it from someone on psychiatric medication.

Thanks for your indulgence. I like the Animals, and I don't know how I confused them for the Stones. I can't find a notation saying the Stones did a cover, so apparently I confused them. No, this was a non-spoof song by a "serious" band, and you've definitely heard of the band. No. I looked up the lyrics to that song, and the counting isn't there. It would be VERY odd for a Spanish-speaking singer to have changed the count like that. It's an English group, better known in the English-speaking world than Selena, and, AFAIK, all the members are still alive.

Let's see if anyone's checking in who would know this: "Uno, dos, tres, catorce" (Yes, that's Spanish for "1,2,3, 14.")

I know some posters have said they believe his evil deeds proceeded from a hatred (or possibly fear-for hatred often springs from fear) of women. I disagree. (Of course, I could be wrong.) I think that he had a lot of deadness in his heart- towards other people. He felt a whole lot of NOTHING to them. That's why he was a "pastor" who never PASTORED his old congregation, and never wanted to bother with people when they had problems, and seemed completely unprepared when they were dumped in his lap. We know ("vp and me") that he had NO IDEA what to do when someone came up needing psychiatric attention and had an acute episode when at hq-he panicked and asked Harry what to do. And that incident made no impression on him, because later incidents when MORE people had psychiatric incidents at hq STILL saw no plan of action- other than vpw SENDING THE PERSON HOME ON A BUS. They got there A WEEK LATER. (Anyone wonder what happened to them all through that trip?) There was no contingency for incidents in the field, either-except SEND THEM HOME. Pontius Pilate showed more conscience about people than vpw showed for people he had accepted responsibility for. When there were reports of people badly injured on LEAD, or women raped on LEAD because they were hitch-hiking (which was a requirement for LEAD, and was the direct cause of them getting raped), vpw never expressed the idea that they could change the program. He pointed out that a woman could be raped anywhere- then proceeded to require hitch-hiking. The few times he seemed to show compassion either made for great staged moments- like when the woman was brought to him at the podium after she'd been kidnapped for deprogramming (but we didn't hear about her after that) or rarer still, times when his personal involvement was minimal- like when he agreed to cover the cost of someone's remaining corps sponsorship. (Mind you, it was unusual he'd give up money, but perhaps in this case, he thought it was a wise investment in what he wanted.) In short, I believe he viewed other people as THINGS- and things, you don't get all emotional about. He used the people and discarded them, as if they were things. And taught lcm to do the same. I believe that he thought the only person that mattered was HIMSELF, and that without exception-not his wife, not his children. That's why whenever his WHIMS were thwarted, he never stopped to consider the points of view of others, but instead could explode into anger the moment it pleased him to do so.

"Misunderstood", by the Rolling Stones. I'm pretty sure they did one version of the song.

I think I've read that last sentence before. Where? Nathaniel Hawthorne???