WordWolf

You may well be right. However, you'll need to support your case. Find a few examples that most clearly support it, and run through them for the studio audience. You may find support, you may even convince a few people. God knows I've learned things in discussions on this board, and reversed my opinions based on them at times. Try to let the verses-and direct conclusions FROM the verses- carry your posts, and they'll carry more weight. And no, you don't have to find them this second-you may not have the time now either. :)

That would be the fellow in Genesis 1:1"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." 'God' in that verse is 'Elohim'. So, you're saying in one place that we have ONE Creator-The Almighty, who's "Elohim" in Genesis 1:1, and in another place that Elohim means Spirit Angels, and THEY created man. Oh, and WE'RE Elohim also. So, "Elohim" SPECIFICALLY means God Himself in Genesis 1:1, who created angels AND us, and "Elohim" SPECIFICALLY means angels who created us, and "Elohim" SPECIFICALLY means us. "Elohim" seems to be a very flexible word! =========== Or, I can believe that the Bible was written primarily to enlighten the understanding of the simple, and was never intended to be the tool of small cabals of people off scrutinizing the precise placement of the orders of Greek and Hebrew words, seeking for the difference between where the verb fits in the sentence, or the differences, say, between "krima" and "krisis". This would mean that "Elohim" can refer to God Almighty in one place completely, and to a human or humans in another place with another connotation- just as a human can be a judge, but God is THE JUDGE, and so on. Sorry, I can't get behind you on this system. If you enjoy it, though, be my guest, have a blast.

Every minute that passes bring us closer to "the end times". If Jesus is to be believed, no man knows the hour. I like to say that this means the longest warning we could get would be 59 minutes, since that would mean a man knew in LESS than an hour. Now, soon, or far in the future, I am confident there WILL be such a time. Others are confident there will not. Some aren't sure. Somebody's right. No matter how you slice it, none of the positions affect how I live my life.

Maybe you should find the verses that you believe support your position, post them, then say "this is why I believe this verse supports my position..." vpw dashed thru this stuff at high speed in pfal, and never supported his case. (I've gone over the verses since then, and have engaged in dialogues concerning their meanings, but vpw didn't.) You have the chance to explain why YOU believe what you believe, and this is one time you might have others on your side. This is NOT strengthened by starting with an attitude of "well, my esteemed opponent is obviously illiterate, else he'd agree with me..." This was a start-but if you want to make a case from this, you'll need to put in a little time. I'll get back to this when I HAVE the time this warrants, myself.

That's poor stewardship of the family. It's no more different than buying farmland and ignoring 1/2 of it and letting it grow weeds. (And not intentionally as a "nature reserve.) It's poor management. Let us not forget HIGH INFANT MORTALITY RATES. In centuries of old, they had lots of kids, and some of them even survived childhood. In modern, high-tech societies, it is always a surprise, a shock, and a blow when we hear of children dying for any reason. It's not expected.

Keep Internet Explorer, but only use it when "needed" (Microsoft websites and a few other places.) Why do I like it so much? The basic program is cleaner and leaner than any Internet Explorer. Any time a problem is discovered, exploits are patched in an an average of "just-under-a-day". IE, the average is "about-3-days", and THAT only since the US Federal Govt announced that a delay of over a month meant they were going to recommend consumers switch OFF of IE---then the month's delay was over in 18 hours! So long as you follow the instructions, it is VERY EASY to "switch." FF will import all your Bookmarks/Favourite Sites when you install, if you tell it to. (And you can organize them better.) FireFox "Extensions" (add-ons) can be added for just about anything you can imagine. Like to increase the security of your browsing experience, like I do? There's hundreds, if not thousands, of Extensions you can add to the thing to make it safer. With one click, I can have a virus-scan done on any link before I even surf to it. Want to skip redirects and jump straight to the target-site? There's an Extension for that too. Want to always see the local IP of the site you're on? Etc. etc. The only reason IE ever added a pop-up blocker was because people were saying that FF with its DEFAULT pop-up blocker, and adding ONLY "AdBlock" made for a superior browsing experience, with fewer ads. And, yes, the option to use the Tabbed browsing and open a new page in a tab OR a new window is very handy. (I use both for different things, and the tabs are in the basic FF program.)

I believe I can see the actor saying it, but the episode is escaping me...

Kudos to him for being able to SIT STILL that long. I tried that once and got bored after the first 1/2 hour. The SIMPLE concepts are often the most effective ones. One year I put that into practice, too. I put up a HUGE sign that said "Beware of the werewolf", which was big enough to read from many steps away, but small enough that you'd have to read it as you approached-unless you were smart enough to stop your ENTIRE group and read. And who can stop a handful of kids when they see an obvious indicator free candy is imminent? As they approached the door, I sprang out of plain sight in a werewolf outfit. How close I let them get, or how much I moved, depended on the size of the kids. (The smallest, I stayed where I was. The teenagers were treated to a leaping werewolf as they got CLOSE to him.) Naturally, NOBODY (3 people all night) saw me coming because they were all focused on the sign and figured I'd spring out from behind the door, and they were safe until they rang the doorbell. (The sign was to HIDE the werewolf, not WARN them. ) After I sprang out, I immediately said-sounding annoyed- "Can't you read? It SAYS *pointing* 'Beware of the werewolf!' " and handed out candy. A lot of the parents and all of the teenagers got a big laugh out of that one. Yeah, they WERE warned well in advance.... Well, the main laugh for the parents is some relief from the fairly monotonous door-to-door, and the teenagers didn't have a real Halloween without ONE decent "boo" incident. Frankly, the disappointment that year was the little effort spent on costumes by the families & kids and stuff.

"We will cease dispensing the canned consumables. It is permissable to dispense fried chicken embryos?" That's all THEY called the beer. (Besides "beer" when handing it out once.) The other parents ("We LOVE your costumes!") called it "liquor" and "six-packs of brewski."

How about a white costume with rainbow trim and headband, and a big, big forehead? (Will need a "bald" headpiece) Some people still wake up sweating if that flashes in their dreams.... Well, you have a cute dog, in a costume, which adds cuteness. And you give out candy. Of course the kids are going to remember to stop by. :) Any thoughts to trying a different costume for her once in a while? Just asking.

"Uncle" Harry gave some interesting biographical details that help fill in some of the blanks, especially about the youngest son in the family, vp. page 77 quote: "I didn't see much of him when he was growing up. When I was seventeen, I started to work, was away from home most of the time. That's near about when he started school. We all walked a mile to the same red schoolhouse. We all had chores to do: milking, feeding the cows, horses, hogs and sheep." quote: "When VP was in high school, Dad wanted him to take over the farm later. You see, that was the tradition-that the youngest son take over the farm, just as he had done. But VP emphatically said no. He'd always liked to study and said he wanted to study for the ministry. Our Dad said 'You haven't even learned to work well on the farm. You'll never make a good preacher.' But VP used to practice by preaching to the trees." Uncle Harry chuckles at the recollection. "He'd go out to the woods for hours. Dad thought he was loafing, but I knew what was going on. He was preaching to the trees." Really, Harry? You admitted you didn't SEE him most of the time. Why wasn't he doing his chores in sight and preaching to the animals on the farm, or, you know, the other kids, people who might actually hear something of use? Maybe Dad was on to something. David was a good shepherd FIRST, then a good man of God.... Later, we'll see what vpw has to say about kids and their work ethic. pg-78, Harry again. quote: "Our mother encouraged Dad to send the boy to seminary. He was always full of pep and vinegar. But he never hurt a soul. He did a few boy's tricks, though, I guess. He played basketball, was always very energetic. That drive and desire for an education VP had is inherited. It came from his grandmother on our father's side. Even three years before he was ordained, he was preaching. In 1941, when he headed the church in Payne, Ohio, Dad and I went to hear his trial sermons. That was his first church- Payne, Ohio." I thought he'd been preaching for years, Harry-to the trees. Also, Lamarckianism has been thoroughly discredited. You can not inherit an interest in learning. You can ENCOURAGE it, but not pass it along from birth. Finally, Dad seems to think vpw lacked drive, but you said he DID, at least about preaching. Hm. Maybe he had drive for preaching, but neglected his chores. Harry spoke about their father's will. quote: In the transaction of the legal settlement of the estate in January, 1957, VP and I paid cash to Reuben and Charles for their shares. The we, VP and I, bypassed ownership and put the deed directly in the name of The Way, Incorporated. We took the name from the book of Acts where people who believed were called followers of 'that way.' =============================== I just found out something interesting. Just like he stole everything else, I think vpw stole the "I was preaching to the trees" thing Uncle Harry believes happened when he himself was far away and could not confirm this. Billy Graham did this. This is from Rick Warren's Ministry Toolbox: http://www.pastors.com/article.asp?ArtID=7650 "He transferred in January of 1937 to Florida Bible Institute (now Trinity College) from which he graduated in 1940 with a bachelor of theology degree. Graham's mother and younger brother Melvin had gone to visit him there and found him talking to the trees, Melvin Graham said. "When we arrived, someone at the Bible Institute told us Billy was out in the woods practicing his preaching," he said. "We walked out into the woods and there he was doing an altar call to the trees." " Seems like Billy Graham had EYEWITNESSES to this. And Graham's story, I'd bet my life, was common in ecclesiastic circles by 1970, so there was plenty of time for vpw to read this, and start a viral campaign that this was HIS story as well. As for Graham, the reason, I heard earlier today, was that he felt shy at the pulpit and clumsy (my words), so he was out there PRACTICING. ============ Does anyone actually believe vpw really was preaching to the trees with no witnesses rather than just slacking off on his chores? Did the man ever have an original thought in his life?

How quickly you guys forget "your history." September 1942 was "the 1942 promise", aka "the snow on the pumps". October 3, 1942 was vpw's first radio broadcast. Supposedly, the name "the way" was in the documentation of that from 1942. However, Uncle Harry claimed they incorporated under "the way" in 1957, when they took control of the wierwille farm and bought out the other 2 brothers.

Correct! Trelayne was the inspiration for Q in the series premiere of ST:TNG. One of the novels later said that Trelayne was actually a Q child. ========== I didn't recognize the officers from Temporal Investigations, George. Meanwhile, it's hiway29's turn.

"But where's the sport in a simple hanging?" "The sport?" "Yes... the terror of murder; the suspense – the fun!"

Right. See, this is called "Argument by Selective Observation," or "Cherry-Picking", or "counting the hits and ignoring the misses." http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic...html#selective# "Argument By Selective Observation: also called cherry picking, the enumeration of favorable circumstances, or as the philosopher Francis Bacon described it, counting the hits and forgetting the misses. For example, a state boasts of the Presidents it has produced, but is silent about its serial killers. Or, the claim "Technology brings happiness". (Now, there's something with hits and misses.) Casinos encourage this human tendency. There are bells and whistles to announce slot machine jackpots, but losing happens silently. This makes it much easier to think that the odds of winning are good. " Saying "thanking God for stuff gets results" and ignoring all the times "thanking God for stuff DIDN'T get results" is "counting the hits and forgetting the misses." It's supposing this works as a principle when it utterly FAILS as a principle. Who would count as trustworthy a safety system that saved your life "at least 1/2 the time"? A principle or guiding rule has to work almost all the time, and a supposed LAW has to work 100% of the time, no exceptions. Further, anecdotes are hardly scientific. Thanking God in advance for a good parking space, then finding a good parking space, is hardly "confirmation" that the "thanking" did ANYTHING.

To those of you who use Thunderbird, is there any way she can get all the functionality she wanted in an open-source ("I'll install it wherever I want") format? I think most of us agree "OpenOffice" is at least the equal of "Office." (And FireFox is at least the equal of IE.)

"We do not discuss it with outsiders." That's "Trials and Tribble-ations", DS9's tribute to "the Trouble with Tribbles." "Do they still sing songs of the Great Tribble Hunt?"

Matthew 5:15-16. "Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." ========= Of course, the twi excuse is that the Gospels don't really count anymore. Jesus' injunctions-which were written after Pentecost- were inapplicable from the time they were written down! So, here's a quick look at an Epistle. James 1:22-27. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." Sounds like God really wants us to do stuff.

What? That WAS the instruction EVERYONE got in the 90s, when lcm got tired of seeing wow-mobiles and other stuff.

James 4:2 "Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not" Somehow, I don't see the "believe God for perfect health" thing working for vpw. He didn't ask, and did whatever, and then dropped dead young.

To those of you who use Thunderbird, is there any way she can get all the functionality she wanted in an open-source ("I'll install it wherever I want") format?

You missed it by a whisker, so I'll say you have it. (Since you'll obviously know it as soon as I say it.) It was the previous film, "Addams Family." Morticia told "Uncle Fester" the family motto when they walked in the graveyard. The discussion with "the Doctor" is when they discussed how hard the human spirit is to kill. Gomez elected to defend his legal rights over the Addams family fortune. The last 2 were quotes from Morticia, and a little harder to place PRECISELY. ============== Go, George!

"'Sic gorgiamos allos subjectatos nunc'- 'We gladly feast on those who would destroy us.' Those are not just pretty words." "The human spirit-it is a hard thing to kill." "Even with a chainsaw." "They say a man who represents himself in court has a fool for a client. And with God as my witness, I will be that fool!" "I'm terribly worried about him. He won't eat, he can't sleep, he keeps coughing up blood." "He coughs up blood?" "Well, not like he used to..." "Last night - you were unhinged. You were like some desperate, howling demon. You frightened me. Do it again!"

THE BRIDGE BUILDER An old man traveling a lone highway, came at an evening cold and gray To a chasm vast, deep and wide through which was flowing a sullen tide. The old man crossed in the twilight dim, the sullen stream held no fears for him; but he turned when safe on the other side and builded a bridge to span the tide. "Old man," cried a fellow pilgrim near, "You're wasting time in building here. Your journey will end with the close of day; you will never again pass this way. You have crossed the chasm deep and wide, why build you this bridge at eventide?" The builder lifted his old gray head, "Good friend, in the path I have come," he said, "there followeth after me today a youth whose feet must pass this way. This stream, which has been naught to me, to that fair-haired youth may pitfall be. He too must cross, in the twilight dim, Good friend, I am building a bridge for him." -Will Allen Dromgoole

Nothing so serious.