WordWolf

Fine, WD. You've NEVER felt put-upon for having an unpopular opinion here. You've NEVER felt persecuted here nor unhappy. You've never complained about that sort of thing. You're not complaining about it now. Anything that looked like textbook examples of any of the above were obviously mass hallucinations on the part of all the people who saw them. I think we've covered everything. Now will you stop "not-complaining-simply-stating-an-opinion-about-bias-that-didn't-surprise-me", please?

"I sell guns to every army but the Salvation Army." CORRECT! That movie has SO many quotable quotes. "Back then, I didn't sell to Osama bin Laden. Not because of moral reasons, but because he was always bouncing checks."

Doesn't it strike anyone as mildly ironic that we can go on for pages and pages about how some people feel persecuted, without a censor's hand coming in and editing posts? Seems to me that almost all of us can post WITHOUT "persecuting" people, and the exceptions can quickly be brought to the attention of a moderator, who can act pretty quickly and rein in anyone acting like a troll (whether they are one or not). The difference between "most people disagree with you" and "you're being persecuted" seems pretty clear to most. As for persecution online, the GSC is small potatoes in that category. I've been persecuted by EXPERT trolls ELSEWHERE.

[You've said that "where it came from is not of importance" to you. You've been posting for a while. Where it comes from matters to you if it came from vpw. Are you really unaware of this? It's in your posts...] [unless it "came" from vpw-then it must be fought for fiercely. It strikes me as odd that you're reluctant to admit this. Frankly, I'd respect you more if you could avoid artifice in this, and just say "this is my position, period. All my posts will reflect this." Despite claims otherwise, do you really think most posters would agree with your appraisal of your own posts, or do you think they'd consider it non-representative of them?] You've made that claim WHILE demonstrating thatanything supposedly from vpw is a special case, without typing the WORDS "anything supposedly from vpw is a special case." It's a lot like claiming you never taught on money because you were teaching on tithing, which someone once claimed was a "BIG DIFFERENCE." I know the words you typed. And I know the meaning of them.] [i know what you've posted, which, in itself, is indicative of what you believe. There's a "disconnect" between content and labelling, apparently, but I just skip to the content most of the time.] [You cared enough to post about it.... But you, of course, can make whatever claims you wish, and readers are free to read your posts and come to whatever conclusions they wish. It strikes me as a little sad that this would be such a hurdle to scale, but that's your decision.]

"That would have messed up 'Einstein'- he's got it wrong TWICE in his NAME!" Gallagher.

Eagle, on the "ministry" he struggled thru in the early 90s, versus the famous "greasespot by midnight" threat lcm threw around...

Thanks for playing friendly, pawnbroker. :) Ok, enough for the obscure quotes, now getting into the ones that will ring a bell... "Tell me I'm everything you despise. That I'm the personification of evil. That I'm what-responsible for the breakdown of the fabric of society and world order. I'm a one-man genocide. Say everything you want to say to me now. Because you don't have long." "You call me evil, but, unfortunately for you, I'm a NECESSARY evil." "Her name really is Angel! Let's put her on the Christmas tree!" "I sell to leftists, and rightists. I sell to pacifists, but they're not the most regular customers." "Is this how you want to be remembered?" "I don't want to be remembered at all. That means I'm dead." "There are two types of tragedies in life: One is not getting what you want, the other is getting it." "Thank you, but I prefer it my way." "I would tell you to go to hell, but I think you're already there." "Some of the most successful relationships are based on lies and deceit. Since that's where they usually end up anyway, it's a logical place to start."

Yes, it's Aerosmith's "Eat the Rich." Those of you who walked into video arcades in the right era saw Aerosmith's video game, "Revolution X." The opening section-which ends with Aerosmith being kidnapped by NON- uses this song, among others. And Aerosmith's album which was effectively "Aerosmith's Greatest Hits Volume 2" was titled "Big Ones."

Please forgive me, I HAVE to put in some spaces or I'll be unable to read this. (And some punctuation.) ============== rickyg: I have no idea what the new department is working on now, so I have to plead ignorance. Again- I am have just returned to fellowhip, since my parents chose to leave in the late 90's. I did take Martindale's class in and I did enjoy some of it very much. Other parts I found harsh or hard to swallow. Like I had said before, I'm a college student and I cannot put myself into the shoes of others whose experiences with TWI have been different. And I will never try to downplay others experiences. All I can tell is what I know and what I am experiencing. I am happy to say that-since my return- all my experiences have been great. And yes, my FC knows that I do log on here and have posted. This is only my 11 post yet I have spent many a night surfing the memories of others. When I told him he didn't seem to care. I asked, "Don't you think I will go online and tell everybody what is going on in the ministry?" He responded, "What in the world would you have to tell them? That we're running a successful college fellowship, and presenting the Word to those who want it?" If anything else was going on I would be more than happy to share it, and the first time I encounter something that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. you better believe that I will let you know. I was never pressured into retaking the class at all. I was actually a little suprised I am allowed to take it, being that I only recently came back and that they do know that I have been in the cafe. I was suprised, because their acceptance didn't seem to fit with the stuff I read about. Or maybe I am just working with some really loving people. I don't know and again I don't want to downplay others' experiences. I would really like to know what type of research is being done too. I am a classics major majoring in Greek and I think I might study some materials to learn how to really work the Word. Does anybody have any suggestions on how to really start? (Beyond the biblical truths you must adhere to) haha. But That leads me to another topic. Does anybody really need to have a PHD in theology or a MDiv to work the Word? No, I dont think that you do. You just have to have good teachers and a desire to get to the truth rather than making the Word fit an already preconceived theology. That is where researchs went wrong in the past (people using the allegorical method to make the Word fit the church.) Any suggestions? And I will let you know any developments. Rick"

It wasn't a serious question. The ":)" was because I was being cheeky.

Not lately. His current readership rating's plummeted. He USED to get a lot of strangers wandering in to look at the sideshow/ ten-in-one, but not lately. And, apparently, he just illustrated again why someone with at least an 8th grade reading level-or better- needs to give him a few tips. I mean, he was unable to understand even a SHORT, STRAIGHTFORWARD post without missing 1/2 the content...

No. This movie will never be formatted on Beta. Or VHS, I expect.

I agree with you. Seems we meant 2 different things by "freedom of speech" forum. BTW, if that's what you think, what are you doing on this thread? :)

Will someone with at least an 8th grade education explain to Mike the reason Mike's not getting blind obedience in his homework, nor cooperation in his endless riddles? Will they please follow up by reminding him of the much faster, more efficient method he could use, which would actually increase the chances someone might be reading his posts?

So, then, I ask you plainly: Do you believe posters with contrary opinions are allowed to post at the GSC?

Mark, You're confusing the Research Dept they had at ONE time- that DID go and get training in Koine Greek and Aramaic and so on, and were chased off between 1985 and 1990- and the staff they have NOW- who have NO formal training in either, or ANY academic discipline related to Bible research? They're in a fix on that, too. If they wanted to GET people some, A) It would take at least 5 years to raise up an initial crop of researchers B) They'd need a candidate group smart enough to keep up with the work of being trained at formal universities C) If they FOUND smart people and exposed them to outside ideas for that long, they'd wake up and leave! So, twi doesn't HAVE trained researchers at this time. Those they ONCE had were driven off. Those they might train up are unable to keep up, and twi is unable to expose them to free ideas or they'd lose the trainees. :)

Oakspear said Oldiesman replied And YOU'RE forgetting the things ALL groups should have in common. twi was supposedly a group that held for the accuracy of God's Word. (This was the stated goal, and most of us agree it was hardly the main purpose as the Powers-That-Be saw it.) IF there is a supposed search for excellence and truth, there is SUPPOSED to be a dialogue process, as all people (or most) are involved in an exchange of ideas as people seek to make what was good, better. (Many of us hit a brick wall when we tried to dialogue on those processes, MANY OF US.) Many people HOLDING THE STATED BELIEF OF TWI were MUZZLED in discussion. They were not ALLOWED to attempt to make improvements. So, it wasn't a matter of "if you don't beliefe the core tenet, leave". It was a matter of "if you don't accept EVERYTHING without question, leave- but know that if you do, your family is under a death sentence because God will turn His back on you and the devil will send his hit-squads to wipe them out, starting with your children." No, it's not an exaggeration, some were asked OUTRIGHT "Which of your children do you want to die because you're leaving?" So, you're misrepresenting life in twi at the moment. How bizarre. ==== Further, you're misrepresenting the GSC. This is a board that allows considerable latitude for freedom of expression, whose stated purpose-it HAS a stated purpose- is to present the OTHER SIDE of the story- the information twi ruthlessly suppressed and continues to attempt. It's not a "free-speech" forum. You can find those online if you want.

"I just can't see no humour About your way of life I think I can do more for you With this here fork and knife" "Believe in all the good things That money just can't buy, Then you won't get no bellyache From eatin' humble pie. I believe in rags to riches- Your inheritance won't last. So take your Gray Poupon my friend And shove it up your @$$!"

"Is this how you want to be remembered?" "I don't want to be remembered at all. That means I'm dead." "There are two types of tragedies in life: One is not getting what you want, the other is getting it." This one MAY help. At least, for me, this would give it away.... "Thank you, but I prefer it my way." If you can recall the context of that line, you've got the movie. :) "I would tell you to go to hell, but I think you're already there." "Some of the most successful relationships are based on lies and deceit. Since that's where they usually end up anyway, it's a logical place to start." I haven't posted the best quotes from this movie, which is a movie loaded with great quotes. Part of the reason is its narrated in the first-person.

You also couldn't name the musicians for "Pac-Man" on sight, nor would you consider them a cool band. THIS band, on the other hand, you might consider a big one.

I'd say late 80s-early 90s. If you liked video arcade games, you might be able to hum the song all the way through.

In the interests of putting this all together in as easy-to-find a package as possible, I'm adding some quotes here. These are from the thread "Outreach beyond vpw's congregation..." by skyrider. It's got quotes from Mrs W's book "Born Again to Serve", and that book offers a THIRD view of events we're looking at here. Thus, it will help us form a complete picture of vpw and his group's early years. ========== pg-36-37. "After our move into the new parsonage, Rev Wierwille found a room a block away from the church, formerly a dentist's office, which he rented and made into his office/study. Not a particularly patient young minister, he got pretty discouraged by not knowing how to handle various challenges within the congregation. At one time he told me that he was ready to quit the ministry if he didn't learn how to handle these seemingly helpless situations. Something seemed to be lacking in answer to prayers." "I'd had the best education money could buy; but with all that I knew, I just could not help people. I was discouraged the first year in the ministry, 1941-42. I thought, 'Had my dad spent all that money to educate a fool?' I prayed a great deal about it. Even then I was discouraged with my life. The principles of the ministry bothered me. The shallowness bothered me." "The annual Paulding County Sunday School Convention was held Friday evening, September 5, and Sunday afternoon and evening, September 7, 1941, at our church in Payne. These three meetings were set 'to worship, receive inspiration for daily living, and acquire information about the unique place religious education holds in the proper training for your son or daughter and its importance for your own spiritual growth." "At this same time Rev Wierwille introduced a Bible study and teacher-training course which he taught. The purpose was to 'bring to hand every element required to build up knowledge, acquaint you with methods, and supply inspiration for dealing with the problems that confront teachers and workers." "Rev Wierwille's outreach beyond the congregation then began on July 23, 1942, with a column called 'Religion in the Weekly' in the local weekly newspaper, The Payne Reflector. He wrote, 'The aim in this is a column written for your enjoyment, edification and growth in matters pertaining to the spiritual adancement of your personality.' He expected to see some results, so he closed his first article with this statement: 'We are anxious to hear from you and your response will help to determine the value of this column to your own life and the well-being of your community.' "

Get out! She said this? And she was serious and everything-she wasn't messing with you??

Clicking this up so I can find it more easily....