WordWolf

That's the one I THOUGHT you guys meant.... http://my.homewithgod.com/heavenlymidis/kids_abraham.html (You can find almost anything online.) "Farther Along" not only was not a twi-exclusive song, but it was nonsensical for twi to use this song. For those of you who took vpw's pfal Foundational class, you may remember when he got to the part about understanding what terms MEANT, not what they would mean NOW. One example was the verse "..but the end is not by-and-by". He said this meant "NEARBY, CLOSE." Therefore, the end is not immediately following what was spoken of in the verse. (You remember the segment....."It's not like in the song, 'By the sweet by-and-by'...") Then you sing "Farther Along" where "We'll understand it all by-and-by." We'll understand it "farther along", or "by-and-by"? Later, or very soon? Why did people look at me like I had 2 heads when I brought that up also? http://members.warpnet.net/karin/images/zfarther.html Once again, tho, we had a song with stanzas missing. We never heard the last stanza, because it's antithetical to session 1, segment 1 of pfal. We're supposedly slopping over with financial prosperity, so we dare not suggest in a song that we're not. Same problem with the song "I Know Who Holds Tomorrow."

Sometimes I wondered how they still called themselves Christian with such controversial lyrics. Trinitarians are not bad people. I've met quite a few in the past year, and I have to say they express a lot of love. I would never consider them evil. I've met some pretty nice homosexuals too. I haven't met any witches I've known of though. But I'm sure there are a few good-hearted ones out there too. ;)--> Yeah, but twi REALLY loves to stick it to the Trinitarians. Under lcm, it was also quite fashionable to attack homosexuals. (I've heard vpw pick on Trinitarians, but I didn't catch him pick on homosexuals...which may just mean he hid it better.) I've met some witches. Some are idiots, a few are good-hearted. One irony is that Trinitarians might go on the warpath if you're A Christian but not a trin, and witches-claiming Christians persecute them-sometimes will give Christians a hard time. The irony of this has not escaped some others of them, who aren't quite so silly. Usually they don't use the term "witch", either-most of the sensible ones, anyway. The fake ones who just saw a movie and want to freak the normals ALWAYS call themselves witches. Steve!, Raf mentioned which one he meant on page 1, "Plurality Giving", and explained why. I'm sure he still gets "Beautiful Ohio" flashbacks like the rest of us do. "Beatiful Ohio, where dreams come true..." "So I dreamed I KILLED HER!"- Raf, before breakfast or a shower. :)-->

I get what you're saying.twi didn't view removing a fetus (1-2 trimester) as murder, so folks reasoned the fetus was expendable. It wasn't alive, it was "potential" life. Potential life is not life. Certainly not nearly as important as one's corps commitment, which was paramount. Breaking of the corps commitment was a big, huge deal, bigger than a woman getting rid of her fruit, if it got in place of a greater fruit basket. I'm still waiting for any citation of twi actually saying 3rd trimester was off-limits, or even a second person who heard this, for that matter. I do think fear motivation is always wrong. In that light, I'm sorry we all had to endure that at one point or another. I think another one of mj's points is that fear motivation is all over ... I agree with that too ... it wasn't just present in twi, it's part of life and part of being with other human beings. Techniically true, but twi raised it to an art form, and piled it on with thick shovels. Christian organizations are NOT supposed to use fear as a bludgeon over the Christians. Most churches do NOT do this. Why? They understand that men of God ought not to do these things. No, nobody's perfect, but most groups require better of their leaders, that they be better servants.

"empties": twi-speak. A person not born again, who does not have Holy Spirit, thus, empty inside. Usually in the context of them being scum, not even worth saying "hello" to. "in the household": twi-speak for twi. The Household supposedly was twi Christians and ONLY twi Christians. Other Christians were second- class at BEST, and empties didn't even count. Was eventually tacked on to sentences and definitions without rhyme or reason.

"empties": twi-speak. A person not born again, who does not have Holy Spirit, thus, empty inside. Usually in the context of them being scum, not even worth saying "hello" to. "in the household": twi-speak for twi. The Household supposedly was twi Christians and ONLY twi Christians. Other Christians were second- class at BEST, and empties didn't even count. Was eventually tacked on to sentences and definitions without rhyme or reason.

I never heard the "Father Abraham" song in twi, but it IS a kids' song everywhere else.

God help you if you have a few friends over to hang out and have fun and leadership finds out! People here have said that when leadership wandered in, they decided (all by themselves) that this would now be an official ministry event, with a teaching and songbooks and stuff. That buzzkill bombed the evening in record time and sent the normal people fleeing as if Yoko Ono was singing in the room......

Might also want to do a few more antivirus sweeps with other programs. I just spent several hours helping someone fix their security. Their security is now about 500% better than it was, and, after downloading several programs, they are WAAAY ahead on memory, since we flushed every single virus and piece of spyware out of the system. Took 3 different sweeps with various antivirus programs to get all the viruses-there were over 3000 of them, no kidding, the final count was pushing 4000. I wouldn't believe a machine could run with so many if I hadn't seen it myself. They said the machine operates like new, now. So, it's possible there's a bunch also slowing his machine, too.

Tom, feel free to include me in the PT if you want, I can expound on the books at length, without giving spoilers, even. (Just check this thread-you'll see what I mean.)

Do they at least include a decent explanation of the map by Fred and George? "Padfoot, Moony, Wormtail and Prongs...we owe them so much..." I would be VERY shocked to see the scene where Snape tries to work the map included, although it would be worth the price of admission all by itself. :D-->

That lcm speech was par for the course. Not even counting AOS, that dweeb HAD to stick his fingers into EVERYTHING. He was on High Country Caravan, and he prefaced the satire tape "Many Ways" by Tom Burke, and I forget what else. Probably the main reason lcm redid all the classes in an all-new, inferior style. For all us NOT-morning people, the song "Beautiful Ohio" will ALWAYS conjure up violent thoughts. Anybody else remember the story about the time the tape came up missing? Supposedly, it vanished one time, and vpw said "Ok, I won't play it again-I just want the tape back." I agree with the songs mentioned already. Let's see... Breakthrough's first album, side two, "Military Man." Nice song, a paean to our veterans, but I didn't get the relevance on a Christian album. A minor quibble. Tom Burke's first album, "Many Ways", side two, "Witches and WOW's". I really liked some of the lyrics in this album, I really liked some of the lyrics of THIS SONG. However, despite already having an entire song about the Trinity, he couldn't resist taking another dig at them. The end of a song about witches begins "So ring the bells and fly the flags You can tell all of them witches, Trinitarians and fags". So, apparently, all three were either related or equally heinous. Tom was a lot nicer in his next album, when he wasn't required to push the party line... Acts 29's second album-"Ready For Anything." "Somebody Lied-God Never Died." Another song to push the party line on doctrine. I'm ok with most of the song, but the end of it goes to far. "So understand we've been redeemed, Lord Jesus was the price And those that say that he is God are of anti-christ." That's a reference to I John 4:2-3 and II John 7, and twi's rather unique way of explaining them. Apparently Trinitarians were responsible for the fall of Western civilization or something. What WAS the name of that song with Hank Williams? Something like "I Thank God For Country Music" or "Country In My Veins" or something.

Most Christian organizations lean a bit towards the "ounce of prevention" point of view.... So, if you were going into the corpse or were in the corpse (or the relative equivalent thereof) they'd be pretty clear on "NO FOOLING AROUND!", not "NO PREGNANCIES!". I mean, if Christians are taught and expected to adhere to Biblical standards- and their teachers and instructors set the example- there will BE no fooling around (sex). Or, at least, it will be majorly discouraged, which will cut the numbers down. With no fooling around, there's no risk of pregnancy. This saves everyone all the stress, money issues and problems connected with even CONSIDERING abortions. Instead, an efficient little system operated very quietly, taking women to get abortions, counselling them to get them, and moving on. If rationalizations and situational ethics hadn't become the order of the day, (and leadership hadn't set the example in abusing their offices for sex) then unwanted pregnancies would have been far rarer. Now, that leaves us with married couples, who, we presume, ARE fooling around. In the US, in the 20th century, avoiding pregnancy is NOT a big mystery. If a couple doesn't want to have kids, then can easily (except for exceptions) avoid having them. Let's say a married couple did want a kid, and the wife got pregnant. Why counsel her to abort the baby (or future baby) rather than carry to term? The reasons seem to center around the convenience of the organization rather than anything else. Further, if someone left the corpse, there was SUCH a stigma painted on them BY corpse. So, abort this baby, or be kicked out of the corpse and be stigmatized. That's not a sound choice, but it was the ONLY choice offered too many people in the corpse. Did they have a choice? By definition, yes. It was a trick question with 2 bad options, but they could have picked either.

MJ replied "house is a rockin I do not know of any ." (Then went on about something unrelated to the thread.) House replied "No where in the Word does it back it up. Therefore leaders had nothing when thinking it appropriate to abort a child in order to fulfill a commitment to God." "Thus it was man's decision to lay that unbelievably cruel rap on their open-hearted people." MJ replied "twi did not believe abortion was killing anything. It was a medical procedure to terminate a pregnancy, life began at the moment a baby would take a breath. If no life then no killing...and I'm the one not getting this?" YES, MJ, you ARE the one not getting this. First of all, as Goey spent several pages trying to get across to you, it is evil to use the bludgeon of "Do it or God will hate you" to coerce people to do things, no matter what the things are. Second of all is the issue at hand of what the Bible said, what twi said, and how twi handled it. Look, if a group went to you, and leaned on you to switch to only using black ink pens "otherwise God will be displeased with you", and claimed that if you didn't switch to black ink, "You're betraying your commitments to God", that would be evil. (Stupid, too, but that's irrelevant.) You then have two choices, neither of them good: A) accept coercion and switch to black ink B) retain use of blue ink, and live with ostracism from leaders who claim that you are displeasing God. Yes, of course you have a choice about which course of action to take. You can choose to be ostracized, thrown off grounds, and made a pariah. Of course you can. However, YOU SHOULD NEVER BE PLACED IN THAT POSITION. Leaders of God's people should not coerce or browbeat God's people in order to get them to agree. Men of God ought not to do such things.

"piffle": GSC term. Another name for PFAL.

"piffle": GSC term. Another name for PFAL.

I'm sure that this platitude will be of GREAT comfort to the next innocent, young, idealistic person who's molested, raped, or pressured into an abortion by a person claiming to represent God. "Well, now you know for next time. Next time, be more careful." That's going to go SO far in their healing process. (Reminds me of "the Old Philosopher".) If it's directed to those who suffered in twi and have escaped and are looking back, then I think the natural response would be "no sh*!" Of COURSE they know NOW not to trust people like that no matter what....

You might want to review the "Registry Keys" thread. We talked a lot of security and stuff there.

"third-aid". twi term. The idea was that, before any medical attention was given like an aspirin, you would pray, then ask someone else to pray (steps 1 and 2). This has nothing to do with the 100% reimbursements the bot/bod has for LARGE amounts of medical attention.

"third-aid". twi term. The idea was that, before any medical attention was given like an aspirin, you would pray, then ask someone else to pray (steps 1 and 2). This has nothing to do with the 100% reimbursements the bot/bod has for LARGE amounts of medical attention.

Then download all the Windows critical updates, AdAware, Spybot (now on 1.3) firewall, antivirus, and update them all. Remember to run the scans and updates periodically.

Well, when I was in, I gave up attendance at a big collegiate invitational with my team. When I was in, I also gave up TWI for "The Word". That's how I saw it, and I would have left alone if nobody else did.

Oldies -- if I were to hold you at gunpoint, and say something like "your money, or your life", you would have a choice. If I were to hold you at gunpoint and say something like "step into speeding traffic, or else", you would have a choice. And if I were to handcuff you, and toss you into a lake saying "sink, or swim", again you would have a choice. The two "constants" in these hypothetical situations are the fact that either way you suffer harm, but _you have a choice_. You say that a "choice" was offered to those women, yet I see it as a choice that is as "desirable" as the ones I am postulating here, for you. --> If I were to be confronted by "church" authority for being a lying, drunk, thief that needs to "clean up his act" before resuming fellowship with that church, that would be a "choice" I could live with. That is NOT the case that Rascal, and others have stated here. The "choice" offered to them was indeed a "choice", but either way they went would be a lose/lose situation, therefore not a _viable choice_ at all. They were told to "sink or swim", and given the coercion that twi used to protect those in the upper echelons, it was the same as if a gun were held to their heads. Now I am curious as to why you got kicked out, since you stated you did not live up to the standards expected. Hmmmm??? I am guessing that whatever you did, it did not include the murder of an innocent life, so I guess that makes you less of a sinner, eh? I wasn't going to say anything here, but I hate to see you ride rough-shod over Rascal, and spout ignorant, hurtful words that are in no way Godly, or edifying. I said it in another thread about lcm, but these words can apply to you too, if you do not repent from these attacks. And that is--- "Your words are coming from the south end of a north bound horse." God, and Jesus Christ are in the business of forgiveness. Sign up today. :)-->

Sorry to respond so late, I never check in here.... As of 1999/2000, she was in Manhattan. I haven't been in touch with her in recent years.

Personally, I think it would be a big help if the directors had at least had a quick read-thru of the whole series before directing the current movie. Based on the scene with Lucius Malfoy at the end of the 2nd movie, I'm certain somebody who's at least read thru book 4 (5 probably wasn't out during filming) was working on it, possibly the director. From what I've heard, the 3rd movie glosses over the scenes involving the Marauder's Map-where it came from, and Fred and George's comments about it, and why another character knows how to work it as well. I am, however, looking forward to seeing the first scene with a boggart in it. ============= Trefor, all my commentary was off-the-cuff. I probably blew the spelling of some names, too, but I didn't care enough to check. I keep blanking at the name of the rail station the Hogwarts Express departs from. (It arrives at Hogsmeade, but that's not in the movies yet, I'll bet.) I should have remembered the name of the King's Cross Rail Station for another reason. It was a Benny Hill episode when he was a game show host trying to sabotage one contestant. (A "name that tune" show.) The clue: "This song reminds us of a monkey on a fast train." The contestant says he can name it in one note. The pianist plays the note, mouthing "Ali Baba on the Moon." Contestant: "Ali Baba on the moon." Announcer: "No, it's 'I'm Dreaming of a White Christmas.' " Contestant: *flustered* "Hey...that's got nothing to do with a.... where does the train 'come in'?" Announcer: "King's Cross." Contestant: "..and what about the monkey?" Announcer: "That's where you come in." ======================================== Those of you who haven't seen them yet, I recommend catching the online flash cartoons of the "Potter Puppet Pals." Part I: "Bothering Snape." Part II: "Trouble at Hogwarts." The premise is-what would Harry Potter look like, if it was performed by insane puppeteers? There's also one somewhere involving Harry, Dumbledore, and the Mirror of Erised from the first movie/book, but it's not as funny.

I never heard the "fruit" thing. Might it have been a local expression only?