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Dovey I miss you so much.

Whooooa Mark, this is FASCINATING STUFF! Thank you so much for posting this! You should write a book on this subject yourself. No kidding! Isn't it interesting though that when Jesus Christ will rule the world people will still be sinning, and I would guess, there are STILL going to be people that will not accept Him!!! I also know about the lies and deceit of which you are speaking. It's ringing through loud and clear in every aspect of our lives, and it is especially grievous when us so called "Christians" fall for the deception of the world and are too chicken to stand on The Word, because of the persecution and mockery that goes along with it. Oh, I'll have to read your post over again, I think with my brain I need to reread it a few times before I get the full gist of it. Waysider, lol you goof. You just can't help being a goof can you? :)

Thank you Mark, for the scripture and explanation. Oh man, I don't want to get too heavy into this. Revelation is a very trick book, and I fully believe that no matter how much people THINK they can decipher it, the book won't truly start revealing itself until it's God appointed time. I remember just recently watching this minister on TV sharing that when he was young his pastor was adamant that he had figured out who this passage was about from Revelation 9. And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. 8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. 9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle. He said his pastor said. "I know who these are! These are hippies on motorcycles!" :biglaugh:/>:biglaugh:/>:biglaugh:/> I thought that was hysterical, and so did he obviously. That being said, I would like to know who the heck this "false prophet" is Rev 16:13 (KJV) "And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet." Rev 19:20 (KJV) "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone." Rev 20:10 (KJV) "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

I just saw this waysider. :biglaugh:/>:biglaugh:/>:biglaugh:/> I want one!

Bean Thank you for the scripture references!!! That helps a lot! :)

WordWolf I knew I could count on you to sum it up, lol. Thank you for that account. I KNOW there have been volumes written on the subject, and I am familiar with the Post and Pre tribbers, I'm not familiar with the Mid tribbers, lol. I lean toward the pre-trib I guess. I like to think were are OUT OF HERE, before the crap hits the fan! I know there is SO much taught on this subject, and one really has to take the teachings with a grain of salt, as there is SO much private interpretation in Revelation. But that is why I just wanted a 101 account of the events that happen, because so many people think that once we die we just all go floating around in heaven somewhere (if we are good) and that's that. Or we turn into angels, you know what I mean. Mark thank you for your answer and web page. I'm really not trying to study revelation at all, i just wanted a 101 account of the events in the order they are supposed to happen. :)

Okay, real quick, just to see if I have a semblance of this straight. There is going to be a gathering of the church when Christ comes back. Then somewhere the anti-christ is going to appear, and from what a couple of TV preachers I've seen said, his reign of terror will be like 3 1/2 years. I heard one TV preacher (I think it was David Jeremiah) who said that he will seem to bring peace at first, and the Jewish people will be so tired of fighting, they will disarm themselves and allow the anti christ to provide protection, and then renig(sp?) on the deal and I'm lost from there until him and some false prophet gets thrown into the lake of fire. LOL~ I KNOW I'm stupid about this but I'm trying to piece this together from what little I know! :) Okay, then there comes the milinium, Where Christ Reigns for 1000 years, (and his church reigns with him?) After that satan is let loose and then the final battle? I really am just trying to understand, and even explain the millennium to certain people who ask me about this stuff, because I JUST LEARNED OF THIS MYSELF! I don't know beans about revelation. Can somebody put this into a simple 101 formula, just a basic outline? Thank you!

Gee Raf, just the creation and life and the order of the universe and everything I touch see hear and taste everyday. The ability to do all that! The sun in the sky. Everything. The plastics and metals we use to create things. Playing solitaire and the fact that there are mathematical principals that people create games with. The ability to LOVE. One scripture that speaks loudly to me, I guess, is Romans 1:20. I mean, everybody has their fave scriptures that speak to them, but the more I meditate on that particular scripture,the jist of it is that the one thing that people will not be able to claim when they face God is, "they didn't believe there was a God." We are without excuse. No offense to you and your journey, I've had my doubts too, it's just my own mind or the devil messing with me. But I think deep in our hearts, people know there is a God. We may not understand who He is, or agree with Him, but I really believe in our hearts we know there is a God. I get angry at Him, I've even told Him I hate him. lol. Like a bratty child. Anyway, that's just my opinion. YOU ASKED! lol. />

exie I just have to pop in here and give my 2 cents to that. I don't think any believer takes anything on "blind" faith, we all just take an incredible amount of things for granted.

Oh my gosh, I'm just catching up with these posts now! These are great!!!!! This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about! Sorry for the absence, I'm dealing with a crooked broker who stole money. Sigh. Anyway, this is the stuff I mean. I think many times we miss opportunities to help, at least I do, because my head is up my butt and my mind is rattling on about other things. But thank you! I always remind myself to look and listen to where Holy Spirit is guiding me, and then my mind starts off on it's own again................

Just to throw this in, I found this blog, written by a praise and worship team leader who travels to different churches. It opened my eyes to even applauding singers and musicians. Excuse me, but WHY are we clapping? I won't reprint the whole thing, but here are some interesting observations from this person. The last church visit we did really opened my eyes about something the church has gotten into the habit of doing and I truly believe it does not please the Lord. The music was led by your standard praise and worship team. After the last song ended, absolutely no one in that entire congregation began clapping. My fleshly man wanted to really give it a good round of applause (!) but not one soul in there did a thing. They just remained standing, some heads bowed, but just stood — silently. The hair stood up on the back of my neck! I felt the Lord's presence as never before. And no, we're not talking about "feelings" here. We're talking about the Lord's presence. It suddenly hit me: People in churches are not clapping in thanksgiving to the Lord when they do. They/WE are actually telling the 'performers up front' thank you for entertaining me! Immediately I knew the Lord was showing me that real worship requires no outward signs of approval from men. It wasn't a Broadway show, it was a service of Worship to our God and King. Would somebody please tell me why we applaud singers at church? We don't applaud people when they pray. We don't applaud the preacher when he preaches or the teacher when he teaches or the ushers when they pass around the plate. Does anyone applaud the greeters or the nursery workers for their performance each week? How about the folks that mow the grass on Saturday or clean the restrooms on Monday; does anybody clap for them? I'll bet your church secretary has never received a round of applause – unless she's in the choir, of course. No, the reality is, we applaud singers almost exclusively. Why? Because that's what our entertainment-oriented world has taught us to do. There is more to the article, but this is the main jist of it. I found it thought-provoking.

lol waysider. But it's not just cheesy, it's completely inappropriate at least, and at most, idolatry. The congregants are not an audience. And the preacher should not be drawing attention to themselves. I know that some churches have you stand for the initial reading of the Word of God. If you ever catch John Hagee on TV he does this all the time. He'll crack open the bible and tell everyone to stand for the Word, then have them sit after a minute or so. When I went to see Joyce Meyer back in 2007, she has a huge production. Hillsong and Darlene Zschech were there. The worship was actually too big and loud for me. I was zoning out, when I heard this "OPEN YOUR BIBLES PEOPLE!" and I looked up and there she was just ripping right into the word. It was like, Whoa, where did she come from? The Word should be the "star" not the preacher. I guess most of us were so naive we just didn't know any better and didn't have anything to compare it too. Outside of the RCC which is where many wayfers came from, I think. If I EVER went to any church today, where they applauded the preacher, and actually STOOD for the person preaching it, I would be appalled. It's ironic because I was just watching the Andy Griffith Show yesterday, and in this one episode, some preacher from New York comes to guest speak at "All Souls Church" and when Reverend Tucker introduces him, Barney starts to applaud and Andy has to shush him. Even Andy knew it was inappropriate! lol. Coming back to add, I have heard preachers say something like "Let's give God praise" and people might applaud, but NEVER the preacher. In normal churches that is.

Very good question waysider, and I think I'm just getting the gist of that now. And it is soooooooo true.

I just have to throw in here, I've read about people applauding this guy when he started to speak, and well, that just seems weird to me. I've never seen a minister being applauded in church when he's teaching the Word. And I've been to a couple of TV preachers, Joyce Meyer, and Andrew Wommack, and when they come out (after the music and stuff) to teach, they just start teaching, nobody applauds them like they are some freaking rock star. I honestly don't remember if they did that at the Naperville offshoot I went to in the 90s, I really have zoned most of that out. But to applaud the preacher? Weird, weird weird. Hookay, back to your thread, sorry for hijacking it.

sounds awesome johniam. I know people love Alaska when they visit it, my parents did too, back in the late 80s, they just loved it. I never go anywhere and I just can't flippen wait to go to Israel. lol.

Aww, thanks Steve. :) I guess I'm just learning how cool it is that God wants to use us everyday in everyway to help other people in just little ways. How awesome that really is!

You know dmiller, I know you're joking, but I actually thought about how manipulative the wayfers, and others, (specifically the JW I talked with a couple weeks ago) are with God. It's like, the way I thought was, God doesn't work outside the walls of......name your brand of religion....and what a crock that is and how awful and arrogant that is. He is so much bigger than we can even fathom. And this instance just reminded me of my own hypocrisy within the Way.