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I hated it when we would change the words to Christmas songs. It was so lame. And weird to go Carrolling singing "Speak in tongues speak in tongues do it every day. Oh what joy we have in the spirit when we pray." (Jingle Bells theme) How embarrassing.

Who is JAL?

I HOPEyou have a CREATIVEand fun CHRISTMASLOL.

Yikes.

Unthankful Sods.

You spend more time cleaning the LH than your own at standards no one with a full time job can live up to.

I was thinking of some of the characters in twi. There was this one striking tall woman. When I first met her she spoke plainly. Then a few years later, she started sporting a jamaican accent. When asked why the change in accent, she would make up stories that were obviously not true. She was faking. Previous to this, I once heard her ream out a teenager at the adv class. She ripped this teenager to shreds because the girl said she did not know how to counsel an older married couple with problems in her twig. It was at lunch. This tall woman started yelling at her that she'd better overcome the fear or SEED BOYS would trick her. There was no Jamaican accent back then. She was nuts, and this teenager was devastated and humiliated. The kid was only talking with new friends at lunch and godzilla interupted and ripped her to shreds. But I have to say, I cracked up everytime I saw her pretending to be this wise Jamaican woman after this. What characters do you remember?

That continued on different levels for years after that. I was once blamed for it raining too. i was also once blamed for not knowing where a plant was supposed to go. We had borrowed a community room to have a meeting. I was on the set up crew meaning we had to reclean everything ahead of time, bring plants etc. When it was over, we were supposed to leave things better than we found them. We were cleaning again. It was taking forever. There had been some offices and a lobby attached to this community room. Some of the set up crew had borrowed the plants and put them in the meeting room. One plant was left over that nobody remembered or knew where it had been taken from. I was confronted for not knowing where the plant was to be returned. I had nothing to do with the plants, I was in the bathrooms cleaning them. But because I was a FC, I should have been on top of it spiritually and known where the plant was supposed to go. Now we had set a bad witness for the community because the people who worked in the building would come back to work and find the plant out of order. It didn't matter that we had cleaned everything twice. I had ruined everything by not getting revelation where the plant went. I must have been out of fellowship. I was tired and sick of cleaning the bathrooms. I sat down in the hallway and cried. i guess I was also spiritually immature.

LOY once ranted about how we were not responsible for killing Jesus-he said he heard someone say all christians are responsible and it ....ed him off. I remember him saying something like 'I didn't kill our lord and savior and went on about how deeply he was offended by that. I don't believe that either, I just thought it was fundamentaly dumb because we weren't alive when Jesus was here. So I didn't think it merrited ranting along with him. But somehow the ac of 95 cost Howie his best friend? Even dumber. They probably never met vpw. IMHO leadership wasn't thankful or grateful for all that the believers did for them. They took and took and often gave little back. IMO when people are spoiled and self centered they blame others for their unhappiness or lack in life. Like rich kids who hate their parents that gave them everything. No matter how hard we gave and worked, they were never going to be satisfied IMO. They constantly blamed us for things we had no control over so they would not have to take responsibility for the dumb things they said or didn't accomplish.

Thanks for answering. I'm glad your life is so much better. I'm also glad you only had a day or so in residence. It just would have wasted more of your time on the road to recovery. I think I know the man you are talking about. I always had the impression his wife didn't love him. She always seemed to be annoyed at him, and I saw her cringe once when he touched her shoulder. He seemed afraid of her, like he knew he was on shaky ground. She in turn would teach and speed talk with a southern accent. I never got what was supposed to be so great about them. He rambled. In my opinion. It's interesting really. When twi wanted to mark and avoid his kid-they stopped "standing" with twi. They could dish it out but they couldn't take it. In my opinion. They only agreed when the abuse was aimed at others, even relished in it. In my opinion. Then suddenly became offended when they had to walk in the shoes of people they themselves have abused. In my opinion. He seemed to be so enamored with LCM, even put up with all those dumb Texas jokes. In my opinion, he was probably lost for a long time with no one to worship. In my opinion, this was a man with not much quality of life or integrity. Your email probably left him shaking in his shoes. Too much of a coward to apologize for abusing a woman and her son. He didn't forget what he did. He's just too weak of a man to make it right. Of course this is all just my opinion. I appreciate your posts, I think when other people realize that you recovered from this atrocity, they might think it's possible for them to recover too. Best wishes to you Bowtwi, Bow jr. and Princess.

I was "privvy" to this. It happened at lunch one day (in an outside tent). I was there to volunteer for camps. We were working very hard and actually it was very fun. I got close to the other volunteers. The CC and his wife at this location in my opinion were very egotistical, full of themselves and manipulating. But they were very popular, people seemed to worship them and hang on their every word. But I could see something strange and scary going on. There were people(and I never knew who they were) that would report to the cc's things other people said and did. The situations I knew of were exagerated. The wife of the CC once acted like she was getting revelation, when in truth someone had reported it to her. She was actually worse than the husband. I saw their kids misbehave and frequently be disrespectful. (Behavior that would not have been tolerated by anyone else.) Well anyway, we were all in a flutter because the MOG was coming all the way from HQ. We worked very very hard to make everything perfect. That day at lunch, the CC got up to confront us. He didn't yell but he was so demeaning. He told us how terrible we had all done, the place was in a shambles, we were not believing, we were selfish, we did not know how to bless people and had really hurt the heart of the MOG who had come all that way to see us. He wouldn't be surprised if the MOG turned around and left because of how off we were. (This was the gist of it, I don't remember it word for word at this point.) In the distance we could see this MOG coming towards the tent in a golf cart so he stopped talking. When this MOG came in he told everyone how glad he was to see us all, what a great job we had done, he was so proud of the location because of our hard work, he felt so loved and welcomed, he would not want to be any other place but where he was now. He then shared a funny story of how he had locked himself out of his cabin in the middle of the night and had fun hanging out with bless patrol because his wife could not hear him knocking on the door. The CC sat there with a frozen smile on his face. I saw him for the deceitful and dishonest man he was. He was just trying to bully us and it backfired on him. I knew it wasn't the first time he had lied to manipulate and degrade people. I wonder if his wife had fed him that though, I wouldn't have put it past her. She was a piece of work in my opinion. Point being-it was a priceless moment.

Yeah, AS IF! any of you would have ever been welcome to express an opinion about one of the elite. I once, being very naive mentioned after a meeting how the leadership in the room were "Off the word" for suggesting we pray for certain people to change or die. Well, that one got around and was I ever ripped to shreds. Then later when it was confronted by the really big leadership that believers should not have been involved with that, they all acted like they had been offended at the mere thought of praying for someone to die. No apologies to me or pats on the back for seeing this coming. What happens when narcisists are confronted.

This was a nice and sweet post. I think it is important to share good things we remember too. As for Mrs. W, I wonder if it would have really bothered her for people to awim at night or if others decided that for her. I saw a lot of that going on. Some legalistic person would resent others having fun and make up a rule in the name of someone. Just wondering.

Yes. That's something, I never heard of FLO. Thanks for sharing. I'm so sorry to hear that. Did anyone show you any compassion? I take it your parents are still in?

The post about Oakspears 8 year anniversary got me thinking. Does anyone know of any situations where someone chose TWI over their spouse and are now alone and regretful? I know of someone who let others decide about the one she loved. She chose TWI and let him go. He married someone else and is very happy. She isn't, she regrets it deeply. I think this happened a lot. Any stories of this out there?

I was reading some old posts about a man who was ripped to shreads at a Twig Coord meeting at the ROA . I thought it would be interesting to hear from people who were at meetings where someone was humiliated or verbally assaulted. Doesn't matter if the meeting was small or big. I was at several, sometimes I was the one being yelled at. One time I was yelled at in front of everyone because I suggested we ask the person we were talking about what their opinion was on the matter. I was yelled at until I couldn't see straight. How dare! I suggest that person had the right to have any input. So weird. Took a long time to recover from. What have been your experiences?

Dear Bowtwi, I read your posts about what happened to you and your son. You are an amazing woman to have survived and forgiven all of that. You are an inspiration to all of us. I'm glad your dear friend found you. She was pivotal in helping you understand what was really true. I was wondering if this man ever acknowledged your second letter or tried to make ammends. I hope you don't mind me asking. CrystalCB.

This comment got me thinking. I wonder how many people who chose twi over their spouses now live in deep regret and are lonely. What a terrible and wrong choice to have made.

It would be interesting to see how many people could post about a meeting they were at where a leader got out of control and humiliated or verbally assaulted someone in front of everybody.

Does anyone know? I hope he recovered quickly.

Interesting. I was at this meeting too and always had the impression the man about to share hadn't done a thing wrong. I was mortified for him, and it contributed to my fear of speaking up honestly.

I do know of some come upance stories. I know of some tyranical leaders that have found out "the world" isn't just waiting to give them these great jobs. They spent so many years chastising others, they are shocked to find out nobody is going to pay them to do that. They have struggled to support themselves.

Very true. Ironically, when people lord over or at best hover-you feel wrong all the time even if their motive is to protect you. It took me a while to not stress so much about making decisions. I had been "reproved" over so many silly things that most normal people wouldn't have thought twice about. Yet I was worn down having to "rethink" even the most minor of decisions I had made. It left me not even wanting to choose what restaurant to go to because it seemed like too much of a responsibility. What if it didn't "bless" everyone?

Sadly, I think they did. Her husband was given a copy of the tape to listen to. I really hope her parents were not sent a copy. It was pretty horrible. She was a very sweet and kind girl. Just trying to please God and everyone. If she really did overwork herself, it was because she misunderstood something and was only trying to do the right thing. She was a very pure hearted young girl. The kind of people who do these things are the kind of people who have no clue about God and are terrible at representing him. But they present themselves as if they are holy. Been going on for centuries. It's just startling and dissapointing when we realize the organization we were attached to was not immune from this.

True. Some think the world is worse because of morality and some think it's better because of technology. If my Grandchildren are safe, happy, healthy and free-then that is what I call better.