OldSkool

Geez, I have heard of nepotism but this takes the cake. Should it be true that is, I will wait until verification before making comments. But we are back to the thing of running a 501c3 that takes having board members and officers. Whooptee-doo! In TWI is was as if the trustees/directors have some special connection with God. Bullshido. Any a$shat can start and have the special chair positions in a corporation. If you learned from Wierwille you can repackage what was taught by the many sources Wierwille stole from and make your own version. Or just rip off Wierwille. S.O.W.E.R.S comes to mind.

The way international desensitizes their followers to sin. And they especially remove/ignore basic qualifications from the Bible that detail how a man of God is to conduct themselves, unless of course it can be used against someone who has fallen out of favor - but that is another post. There is nothing that would excuse a married man, with several children who was a Reverend, supposed Dr., had spent DECADES in the church, etc. from participating in any way in the "free love of the 70s." Nothing. If anything it goes to show how perverted the Dr. really was and how willing his followers were/are to ignore common decency in following this creep. VPW would have been in his 50s in the 70s. I am pushing 40 and the thought of taking advantage of young ladies in their early twenties is repulsive. I mean there is no attraction there at all. And I am married with a child, I am not a minister or preacher and I do not support or work for any Church. How much more would moral accountability be leveraged against a supposed man of God who behaved this way. It's nothing short of using position to satisfy guttural lusts. And in my opinion, anyone (including John Lynn) who propagates Wierwille in anyway is guilty of covering his true nature for their own gain. There are no redeeming qualities to PFAL that excuse this man. PFAL is riddled with error and is not "truth." It's as if all this truth supposedly taught by Wierwille excuses all the wrongs he committed. So his works excuse his sin. It doesn't work that way.

Rosalie, in all of her arrogance, has missed the memo as well. She considers small numbers easily micromanaged. And afterall, God's people are a remnant. I only wish I was making it up, that's her attitude towards their failure at retaining existing followers and drawing new ones.

That's EXACTLY what he said at a STS shortly after New Years. And what kind of an idiot couldn't see the lawsuit coming... He was so used to bullying people that he didn't see it coming.

I came out of the advanced class thoroughly confused. Of course I bought the line that going way disciple would let me put all that knowledge into action. BS to that. It took me studying the material while in-residence to understand that the problem was with the material itself. It's disjointed to say the least. The class jumps all over the place. Not to mention vast portions of it are inaccurate.

They could easily do them throughout the year, but they pile them all onto one day. They don't really want to be bothered with such things. Their institution trumps marriage, an institution initiated by God Almighty.

If I had a quarter for everytime I heard someone in the way international talk about how God worked to found the United States on Christian principles so the Word could have free course...etc, etc, etc.

http://thelivingtruthfellowship.org/joomla/ministry-news/269-wake-up-and-smell-the-counterfeits I read through most of the article. Just at a cursory read I noticed at least one possible inference to PFAL being the truth. Holding PFAL as "THE doctinal pillar of truth" is seriously delusional of itself. I couldn't help notice the overwhelming emphasis on what one knows. When did Christianity become about knowledge? Oh, it never did and never was. Only in Wierwille's counterfeit of Christianity did knowledge of "truth" become the pinnacle. No matter what Lynn adds to his reconstituted package he is still selling PFAL. He can have his own classes, change the terms, put the emphasis on Jesus where it belongs but at the foundation his group is still rooted in the way international and is an offshoot.

Or the bathroom. ---> Just trying to keep the "swirling around the drain-hole of relevancy" figure in play. I like that. Several years before I left I was able to measure decline at HQ year from year. Staffers, way disciples, graduating way corps, shrinking advanced class numbers. I told my self that we were rebuilding the ministry for the next generation and that if we did the work now to right the wrongs then God would bring the increase of people in time. Did I mention I was seriously deluded at the time?

I think the mass weddings are a thing of the past, as you noted, masses of people in TWI are a thing of the past. There were staff weddings still going on when I left. That was the designated wedding day and you may have a morning and a late afternoon wedding at the same location but the weddings never mixed. Nice of them, eh?

It wasn't exactly stated that way. It's a true statement though. She is not competent. Anyway, Rosalie was supposed to spread authority out in the hands of the top leadership. Also, there was supposed to be a 3 to 5 year term limit (generally speaking) on directors. 12 years (give or take) later and she is still on top of the heap with all the power firmly in her hands, with Donna Martindale at her side. True statement. She has devoured and marginalized many, many people over the years. They have come and gone at the director level, they have come and gone at the cabinet and region level. I was in a meeting when she first announced this to the cabinet. It was also announced to the region coordinators and a question and answer session was held via phone hookup on how it would work. Lame meeting.... This was supposed to be Rosalie's retirement plan. She would throttle back by splitting all of the dual positions. The trustees/director spots were always dual positions. They functioned as officers and directors. Most organizations of any size have officers running the day to day operations, with full authority delegated by the board of directors. The directors hold ultimate authority and set policy, expectations, etc. The president/CEO was supposed to be a dual position so they could report to the board. A real board of directors usually operate by majority vote, though there are other arrangements. Not so in the way international. They do whatever Rosalie wants. Anywho, Rosalie was going to limit herself to the things she enjoyed most. Things such as publications and the sunday teaching service, etc. The idea was to have a more effective and legitimate corporate structure. HQ is all about corporate legitimacy since the Allen lawsuits. They really want to stay out of court as defendants. Plantiff is another story. This was supposed to happen around 2008 or so. I don't really know how much of this has been implemented since I left. Honestly, it's quite amateur they never functioned this way. This is basic corporate structure. It works, it's effective. Want to know why the way international takes over a decade to produce a new advanced class? Look no further than the great micro manager, Rosalie. They are a self-fulfilling prophecy. :)

We were forced to watch Patton in-residence. I wonder if anyone around there ever stopped to think that the damn3d movie is a Hollywood portrayal and not something meant to be emulated by Churches and such.

Good to see you, Patriot. Great points as well.

It will never happen. And I hate to break the news to them but she will not have her work undone by having people around who disagree with her. The ranks are cleansed from dissenters. When she dies someone will replace her but it will be someone who thinks she is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I think one reason people hang on is they think it's God's ministry and he will raise someone up to right all the wrongs.

Pet rocks are not anywhere near as harmful as abusive cults. :unsure:

Well, seems he was a great man after all considering all the other people he got away with tricking.

Shows a pattern of unverifiable claims, IMO anyways.

Good point. It's sounds so bogus that this would have been such a big event in Wierwille's supposed journey in MOGFODATdom that he doesn't name them. If they were so great why not drop names? He sure did that with others to gain credibility, even when it was obvious that some of the others washed their hands of Wierwille rather quickly. Dr. Williams for example. Could it be that the supposed great men were simply Robert's helpers? Working with hundreds through out the day. Wierwille would have been just another face.

Sounds ambiguous and very embellished. So, I guess by reason, if the Apostle Paul needed Ananias lay hands on him to get him straight, then in all of Wierwille's MOGFODAT-ness it would take at least nine great men. These "great" men. Were they great in stature, fat, or exceptional in some other category. WTF made them great. Or just great because God brought them to Wierwille?

He could have thrown a couple of "lo shantas" at them.

Looking back on my own way brained, former self, I understand now why Wierwille needed blind obedience from his followers. If it weren't for the cult control structure and brainwashing methods that are common in the way Wierwille is quickly exposed as a liar and a thief. I remember reading through Bullinger's works (Welsch and others as well) and finding nothing wrong with the material being the same but stamped with Wierwille as the source. Looking back, my old way self seems like a stranger to me now. Of course, now it's so painfully obvious that Wierwille and the way international always have been a sham. I almost feel duty bound to publicly post every bit of information I know about them, in hopes others will not fall prey as I did.

So very much has been ripped off from Bullinger. Also Charles Welsch. I listened to the University of Life Romans tapes while in-residence. I also read The Just and Justifier in the same time frame. Much of what Wierwille presented came right out of Welch's book. Welsch was an under study of Bullinger and a real scholar and a real author. Unlike Wierwille and Martindale. Administrations also came straight out of The Companion Bible. With some minor modifications of course. No doubt a weak attempt to obfuscate that the material was lifted. More proof of plagiarism and debunking the idea that Wierwille's topics were well known in contemporary times as opposed to concealed since the first century.

Very nicely said. Wierwille was not as smart as his degree mill doctorate would suggest.

Fake friends to fellowship with based on who is in good standing with the organization. When I left TWI I knew hundreds of people. I am not in contact with ANY of them today. They will have nothing to do with me. Good riddance at that.

So much for protocol.