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Well I got my stuff to get started tomorrow...I'm really excited!!!

that sounds good z, but if someone tells me that they want to talk to me after I'm done watching my tv show I get paranoid.

David, I know you have no need to lose weight but the support would be great!!!!

Long gone, I understand your point. The bitched at point of view might be because the guy keeps walking away and listening with a keen ear whats really going on. Hence, the bitching. I know your not picking on me long gone and a lot of times what I'm sharing is what I've seen in other relationships that are breaking down. I think this is sometimes why the woman just realizes that she isn't listened to after all these years. She never gets the thanks and your great, just as rascal has said. It can get tiring. In this day and age there is so much out there to see and do. In our fifties we are not old anymore like it was in years past. We can go back to school and get a college education and have a career for 15, 20 years or more.

I totally agree that you have to have a safe place to share. Bob and I go to counseling once a month because of my special needs kids and it is there that a lot of times is very safe for us to share. Then there is the third person that is there to help us along if needed. It is very hard for bob to share is feelings as he has been hurt by many people all through his life. He has learned to trust me and is able to share more than he ever has been able to. But I think in general I have found many men like this. If there is a problem most men walk away to not deal with it. The safe place I have found is a place he can't just walk away and we have had some really heart to heart honest talks in therapy.

Ok guys that is well and good and it sounds really nice. But when a woman wants to tell how she feels a lot of times the guys feel like they are being confronted. And walk away. They don't like to share their feelings. Am I right?

I think it was Oak that brought this up. He said something about how men have to be told whats bothering a woman because they don't always see it. I'm wondering why if a man loves a woman so much why doesn't he look for it? I mean women see the signs so easily in men. I know it sounds like a weird question but I honestly want to know...its very frustrating.

Welcome bluzey. I got into twi as a young teen. I think the hardest for me was socialization into the 'real' world. As far as your parents are concerned, I think that everyone here has given you really good advice. I think the therapist can give you some more insight knowing your family dynamics. Rascal gave some really good insight so you can see where your parents are coming from. Looking forward to seeing you here!!!!

Yeah me too.....Happy Birthday George!!!

Here is an interesting article I read: http://women.msn.com/886301.armx?gt1=6686 Its about women suspecting their husbands of an affair but what I saw in it was interesting to what we were talking about.

No but it cleans out my system... :D-->

I would like to have support people doing the cabbage soup diet at the same time as me...anyone interested?

Well Krys, it somehow may end up in the politic section for all we have been through with this fascinating thread....lol HCW I think a great relationship is when you can have the we and have the individuality. If its just we that is when one loses themself in the we. A good mate will have the we and me in there. I think this is whats happening when the couple gets older. The woman realizes, hey there is a me somewhere, I need to find it. My relationship with bob is such a wonderful we and me. I can do anything I want as with him with me. There is no jealousy because there is no reason for there to be. We look at it as if someone does something then that is really their problem not mine. They receive the consequences of it. There has to be trust in a relationship or it will never work. Friendship and trust is number one to keep a relationship. If your partner is not a friend then what is that partner to you?

Was Chris a wow in Washington state at one time? I do remember someone by that name.

well, snort, snort, I did too and still when it comes up I forget and have to take a peek.. :D-->

A shallow victory yes but a victory going in the right direction, yes?

Its a good thing then. One lawsuit for one family is not going to change things. But they did win for them.

I would think that Minnesota and Ohio are miles and miles away from each other... :P-->

It looks like she won, right? Or am I misreading it.

Wacky, Would love to see how NASE works. I'm sure there are some posters here that would like to see too....thanks!!!

I know thats why I haven't budged...... :(--> Thats too bad really. It just seems that if people got together and started a group type to get insurance it would work. But I guess we'd still have to pay out of the ying yang.

Well if I would have said fat burning soup instead of cabbage soup diet I guess I would have had a better response... ;)-->

Maybe it has something to do with this guy campaiging to get the ban lifted and now people have died?

Ok, we all are getting older and I have wonderful, I mean the best health insurance ever. But my job sucks...lol So if I find another job that doesn't offer health insurance but pays a whole lot better or I go in business for myself....does anyone have any recommendations on how to get good health insurance that isn't really super expensive?

Hey Galen, that is a great idea!!!! But I don't think most men would have as much patience as you apparently do :)-->