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mj, I know, I was more talking about people who have studied under Drs.So&So (who hold real degrees)who then earned degrees themselves (have real credentials) versus myself who studied under victor wierwille. Yes, I would suppose if a toll were taken, you could put me into the 99th percentile of those who study the scriptures and also read what other Christians say about certain subjects, but I no longer think that the Christians with degrees in theology are screwed up or that they are deceived (or so stupid) that they can't see what's written in plain sight in the scriptures. Rather, I like to focus on areas that we agree on and no longer expect any group to completely interpret the scriptures exactly as I do in order to enjoy their service or hang out with some of the members. Now, I'm just talking about ME, and please don't take this as criticism, because I used to feel exactly the same way you do, but something happened after I went to church the first time after leaving my 1st splinter group. The pastor read the verse about leaving your first love, Jesus Christ, and I just bawled like a baby right there in church. My husband just looked at me and didn't know WHAT happened and I just couldn't control it. Anyway that happened, though not as powerfully, everytime I went to any church after that (we were visiting different ones at the time before we started going to the second splinter group). Anyway, I began to read what different prophetic people said about how the Holy Spirit moves and low and behold one of them said one way the H.S. moves is through weeping and that it is indicitive of repentance. That rang true because I knew I was weeping because I had judged other Christians, corporately, so harshly (all of the speakers were trinitarians (oough, bad, right?--wrong--genuine Chrisitans and shepherds within the body of Christ, imho). So, I'm just sharing some of my journey and how I changed and why. Since then, I no longer sit and listen the same way to a sermon and am not afraid of differences of opinion or doctrine (allowing for the fact that I could be the one who is wrong and that doesn't bother me either because if I am missing a truth somewhere, the H.S. will get around to letting me know when I'm ready to listen). In the meantime, I usually can find something to chew on that meets my need for the moment at any service at any church I attend and thank God for that. Again, I'm not saying you should feel the way I do, but what you said just struck a chord with the way I used to think.

I'm falling over laffing. Ohmygosh. That is so true because it depicts my experience with my second offshoot group. Ohmygosh.

mj, how do you know they are wrong? is your "rightness" something you know because it was taught to you in twi? I mean, what would it hurt to have a discussion with them and hear them out and listen to what they believe? Is it possible that somethings we learned in twi were wrong and that other people have good reasons to believe what they think?I mean, I went throught all of this myself, and personally, I agree with Grouchmarx. I don't really care what they believe or why they believe it. The Great Commission isn't to debate all other Christians and get them to belive what I do AND WHAT A RELIEF! Whew! What a LOAD off! I'm no longer on Belief-patrol I now totally accept and am glad that they have the right to believe anything they want to and I feel no compulsion to CONTROL that for anyone anymore. THANK GOD!

Jbarrax said: Ham said: I know, I don't believe in FORMULAS anymore either, guys. Ref said: Yeah, me too, Raf.

....and you probably don't need anyone's opinion in order to do what is right for you and your family now, do you?

That sounds great! Ok, I'll check it out. That pig out day sounds good, too. Hey, I saw a half a lemon custard pie in the refer at work and I resisted. Better change the subject so I won't think about it. 40 more mins. 'till I go home. Oh, and I was hungry too, and still resisted. I'm giving myself a pat on the back! Good looking thighs, here I come!

That's good, Catcup!

I think the real answer is, why do you want to make things "better" for those who are being mistreated by staying in and being mistreated along with them? What Catcup said. The truth is, if you stand up and say what's right, you're outta there, so everytime you back down speaking your mind when you know something's wrong, you become weaker and weaker and you lose self-esteem, until finally, you're gonna need someone to help dig you out of the self-destructive habit patterns that you've established in your own life during this codependent cycle. If you're in the way corps you need to worry about helping yourself to get healed before you can help anyone else.

If you did, why would you want to have anything to do with twi? The only way to make a difference for people still in, is to help them recover themselves and get themselves out, imho (and help them change self-destructive habits).

Body for Life, never heard of that one DH, but it must be good or you wouldn't recommend it. What do you like most about his suggestions?

I love it, Cowgirl!~ If you wanted to give us one everyday to keep us going, I wouldn't complain!

ohmygosh! THAT was JEFF? I flipped it off right before they said his name, apparently. Gosh, I hope he's ok after all of that!

ok. so far Vickles, Cindy!, Steve! and I are starting a diet on Monday. Anyone else onboard?

That could mean that they had integrity and stoodup to the tyrants--not rejects in God's eyes.

...hum, mustard greens, i'll have ta try that Abi. Thx!

Happy Birthday, dear Geo!!!!

Welcome BluzieQ! Sometimes the best way to deter us from taking the wrong path as adults is to grow up seeing how destructive it was in our parent's lives. Good for you for seeing the dangers and pitfalls and avoiding them instead of continuing in the abusive behavior/victim cycle as an adult. Cindy! has some good advice about consulting a therapist because they are trained and can give helpful advice to those of us who are in permanent relationships with people with rage issues. Good. I'm glad you're staying a while! Have some mocha java on me:-)

Yep. That's who she's talking about.

If you go to the teacher suggestions thread and find the post that has the ERIC link, just click on that and plug in early childhood or pre-school cognitive activities and you should find lots of articles. Also, interventioncentral.org is a good one too. Also, can do a search on the NASP website: National Assoc. of School Psychologists

Are you gonna be a principal?

Thanks for the link, Belle. I printed out the article about the way the French eat. That sounded like a sensible lifestyle choice--they're not fat because they eat real, high quality foods, smaller portions, and sit a long time at meals and enjoy them with friends.

I agree, Catcup, if Song has an issue with Shroyer, he should just talk to him--and thanks for receiving what I said in the spirit it was given. It wasn't meant as criticism, just looked like an old twi pattern to have to get someone to referee and I was merely pointing out another choice. Agreed about PTing issues with those on the board.

That sounds like great advice, beenthere! That includes white rice, also, doesn't it? Also, coffee makes me hungry. Anyone else have that problem?

Meet with Shroyer? Didn't you all get out of twi? Why can't you 3 just talk? Do you really need a fourth party to tell you who/what is right and wrong. Can't you all just make up like big kids? (I'm not butting in, this was posted on a public forum. Gosh, aren't you beyond that? Can't you make decisions on your own?)

Well spoken, Dan, and I totally agree.