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Hi Seeker, I'd like to Welcome you also! I'm not familiar with the paper you're referring to, but Mike Tomberlin has tapes on the tithe/offerings in Corinthians which were the best eyeopeners I'd ever "seen." It helped to clear lots of legalism in that subject from my mind. He shows that the "tithes" the apostles/ disciples were collecting on Monday weren't tithes after all. They were, in all cases, really relief offerings for the Christians in other cities who had specific needs (disaster, etc.). Anyway, welcome! Have a cuppa on me. wb

...i like the people who come here....

Hopefull, I'm sorry that has all happened to you this year. As far as the appliances go, your situation mirrors mine. Even our garage door broke and it was only five years old! Also, I'm not having the easiest year of my life either having started a new job in August. Here's what I do sometimes when I don't feel good mentally. I either watch one of my favorite videos, or rent some, or check out a slew of them at the library (that's the best because they don't cost anythng). One of my favorites that I watch every year is Pride and Prejudice--the A&E one. It's drama, romance, and is funny! Honestly, I just take a whole Saturday when that happens and watch videos (uplifting ones with good endings). Two that we saw last night that were good were March of the Penguins and Cinderella Man. They both were very good and had good endings (well, I fell asleep at the end of the Penguins, but it was amazing what they go through for the babies and the father's sit on the eggs after the mothers lay them. Then the moms walk miles and miles to get food and bring it back to the dads who haven't eaten in four months usually by then. It's really cool to see them swimming underwater, too. And Morgan Freeman is the narrator and he is fabulous). So, maybe you could get a $35 VCR somewhere and watch some movies and just sort of zone out. It always works for me and the next day I'm rejuvenated! Also, updating your resume, as suggested above by one of our gs friends, sounds like sound advice and may help to take some pressure off. Then, if you have to start sending it around you're ready, but if not, you're still better off having it current. Well, take care. I'll be thinking about you. wb

Eagle, I suppose it's like ignoring part of your family. Cutting them off only hurts both of you and it's juvenile behavior. We don't ever really cut ourselves off from those we love (if we ever really loved them). wb

Radar, Hey! Happity, Hippity, Birth Dee!!!! Call moi sometime and let's get together :-) wb

Hi Geo! Yeah, like, don't they always say that about ANYTHING that's good and helps SOME people and it's not a drug? wb

I'm glad you like it. It's always nice to see you!

Gosh, sweetie, all the best to you on your birthday! I sure hope it is/was a good one and I could just squeeze that baby! What a cutie! Love ya, wb

Dear Coolchef, Hi. I checked my email this afternoon and got this and thought I'd like to share it with someone. So, you're it. Don't know who wrote it and I'm guessing the name isn't real, but this sure ministered to moi, so I'll post it. Here goes: I Know Where I Belong!!!! Hi Friends, Thanx for your posts and encouragement. Life has surely been a rollercoaster lately. Sitting in a boat of discouragement and despair isn't fun. Today, I sought Jesus, and guess what? He was found. He took me into the very throneroom, and I would like to share with you what I saw, because it's not just a personal vision for me, it's for every child of God. What I am about to share it absolute truth. I saw myself standing at the door, and I opened the door, and I was in rags. All my clothes were ripped etc. I opened the door and looked in...and I was standing in the doorway. I saw Jesus standing at the end of a red-carpet and He had the HUGEST smile on His face and motioned to me, to come to Him.So as I started walking in, this applause thundered and shook the whole room. I looked to each side of the room, and there were all the witnesses of heaven. All with huge grins, and applauding me as I walked in. I walked in with my head down, and just looked so ashamed. As I began to walk in, as I walked down the carpet, I was transformed. I slowly started seeing myself not slouching anymore, but standing straight, and my rags disappeared and I saw I was transformed. From a girl that walked in full of shame and rags, by the time I reached half way down the aisle, I was dressed in white. I was dressed as a bride, glowing and holding roses. Walking down the aisle to meet Jesus. I met Him at the end, and He just held me and wept with delight over me. I am utterly speechless over what I have seen. He kept whispering to me, that I have been trying to *belong* in so many places. I've been trying to belong in having a *prophetic* ministry, I've been trying to belong in *relationships*. I have been trying to belong in making myself *beautiful*. I have been trying to belong in all these areas, and I realized, I don't belong anywhere but in the throneroom with Jesus. That is where I belong.So even though ministry has been ripped away, it seems a lot of my dreams have been ripped away, I belong with Jesus. In Jesus. No matter what I, or we have done, Jesus accepts us, and love us. We can approach the throne boldly, because of His grace. He adores us. He truly adores us. He cares more about us, than what we can *do* or *perform* for Him. So it looks like...Olivia could very well have been found? Blessings, Olivia

Ditto to most of above. I even talk to the Holy Spirit now, too, who the Bible says is our counselor, comforter, teacher, and so on. He, It, has a function too.

Ex, hi. Do you know how she cooks it? What makes it so good? HerbieJuan, yum. My husband would like THAT! He's big on sausages and seasonings.

Actually, guys, thanks and back at ya Radar! Geo, you sound like quite a cook! Thanks for the trimming tip. I'll try it! My husband uses that dry marinade, too, and it's good--not as good as Tom Perkins's, though (just remembered his name--yeh!). What else...oh, where I was going with the "actually" was this: Tom actually GAVE me the recipe while at Gunnison. Yep, he did. Now, to remember it.....oh my. Pray for me, ok? Then, I'll share it with everyone! Ha! wb

Hey everyone, Does anyone remember Tom blank's Sunday dinner lamb meals? Boy they were good! That was probably the best baked or roasted lamb I've had to date. Was anyone ever able to get his recipe? I'd surely love to have it if you did and would like to share it. Sorry, but I can't remember his last name. His wife's name was Gail. Yum! (mine always tastes bitter and I'm not a big mint jelly person and he didn't use that either). wb

ohmygosh, Satoori, you're killing me! hahahahahahaha, my sides are ripping apart. not really, but i love reading you. sorrry, WG, reallly, none of it is about you. really! i love reading you too. Satoori, you should start a weekly roasting column. you're a hoot!

I'm so happy for you both!!!! Here's wishing you many years together that will be better than either of you could have ever anticipated!!

After I found out that those ***** **** kill their unmarried daughters just for talking to boys sometimes, I find it very hard to even look at these barbarians. LOL, the sign of the anus, indeed, Sudo! Hehe.

Paw, I LOVE those ads! Wow! So, cool! I happened across Waydale about a month or two before it closed down so if I haven't publicly thanked you for gs, I'll do it now. THANKS for a truly caring and theraputic site. It showed me where I still needed to get free--and that was in a lot of areas. Thanks for caring and persevering enough to stick with it and us. The therapy has been priceless! wb

i love it! thanks!

Keith, you're with, or referring to, a geerite group, right? Why, then, is it amazing that people would be upset by asking them not to use vp as their source? (not a criticism, just wondered.)

Happy Birthday, ZShot!

Hi jkboehme, I don't believe we've met. Having gotten OUT of twi in 1988, I totally do not care or want to know the details about the lawsuit or any of the goings on at twi now or then. So, please forgive me if I decline to comment regarding those things. My beef is with your comment about Toadfriend's Corps peers calling her toad. That is ridiculous. Name calling is a little juvenile, don't you think? I think you owe her an apology. wb

...yes, too gray, and that "positive vision" kept many of us from ministering to the world in the way that we were trained to via our education (b.c. (degrees we earned "before corps"))--because we took all of that gumption, vision, and zeal and wasted it on a corrupt organization. Thankfully, it's never too late as long as we can draw breath, and some of us are now back reclaiming our lives and doing what we were meant to do.

Yeah, I thought it was good, too, Rascal. He's a good writer, me thinks. Thanks, Sushi. That's interesting.

Sudo, ohmygosh!!

I thought this was a great article about wolves and posted it here since I hardly ever go to the doctrinal forum and thought others might never read it over there, either. Here goes: December 6, 2005 "Who's Afraid of the Big Bad Wolf?" -Dennis Cramer Dennis Cramer Ministries www.denniscramer.org The Bible warns us to be on our guard against wolves. "I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number, men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember, I have never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears." -Acts 20:29-31 Years ago, the Lord prophetically warned me of a wolf who was about to enter my life and ministry. "Denny, if you join with this man, he will rob you of your congregation--for his heart and his mind are not joined with yours. He is a deceptive man, and he will cleverly deceive the congregation to undermine you and your ministry, twisting and distorting even the most innocent words and actions to make you appear as the evil one rather than himself. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing." The Bible uses a wolf to symbolize a false minister or teacher. He is someone who scatters the flock, leads sheep astray, and preys upon the flock instead of feeding them. He is not a true shepherd. He misleads people by drawing them to himself instead of drawing them to the heart and rule of God--his outward appearance concealing his inward motives. A wolf will talk, teach, preach, sing, or act just like a real sheep but his desire or motivation is entirely different. A wolf thinks only of himself--selfish and destructive. A true shepherd always puts the sheep first--not last. He lays his life down for the sheep. A wolf is someone who has not submitted his life to the Lordship of Jesus. He has sought God for the wrong reasons. He serves God for what he can get from Him rather than for who He is. He is an impostor, easily mistaken for a true shepherd until his motives are revealed by his actions. A wolf takes control no matter what it takes: trickery, deceit, manipulation, false doctrine, intimidation, clandestine meetings, power plays, secrecy, planting seeds of distrust, discord, disloyalty, or even spiritual witchcraft. He will use any means available. It is very difficult to identify a wolf by his outward appearance--by what he says or how he looks; a wolf often looks and sounds like a sheep. Instead, you identify a wolf by what he does or does not do. You identify a wolf by his actions. "Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly, they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruit. . . " -Matthew 7:15-16 Fruit speaks of lifestyle, character, teaching, and influence--his personal history--the mark he leaves on people's lives. In addition, a wolf will often lie, steal, gossip, slander, break covenant, be disloyal, violate friendships or trusts, betray or dishonor others, violate confidentialities, ignore biblical guidelines for proper communication between disagreeing Christians, lust, love money, be a poor steward of money, be dishonest, be selfish, be self-important and proud, claim a false ministry or gift, claim an authority in God he doesn't possess, self-promote, be worldly, be carnal, be greedy, show outbursts of anger and rage, have a controlling spirit, have no fruit of the Spirit, and most importantly do nothing out of a pure agape love as his motivation. A wolf only knows how to display cold love because by nature, he is a predator. According to the Bible, the dog, fox, bear, and wolf all have negative connotations. "Behold, I send you out as sheep among wolves. Therefore, be wise as serpents..." -Matthew 10:16 (We should be wise concerning wolves.) "After my departure, savage (grievous) wolves (notice the nature or characteristic of this type of wolf--savage, grievous). . . will come in among you, not sparing the flock (notice where the wolves are located--among you--among us. . . notice their recklessness and the danger they pose to the sheep--"not sparing the sheep"). From among yourselves, men (notice the wolves are men--probably leaders) will rise up speaking (a wolf has an unusually big mouth, jaws, and teeth) perverse (misleading) things to draw away disciples after themselves (a wolf always has a personal agenda--not a godly agenda). Therefore, watch and remember I did not cease to warn you (notice this apostolic warning is to Christians) night and day for three years (notice the seriousness of this warning)." -Acts 20:29-31 Beware of false messengers who come to you in sheep's clothing. "Beware of false messengers who come to you in sheep's clothing (notice their outward appearance-they look like sheep) but inwardly, they are ravenous wolves. (notice their inward motivation-meat eaters) You will know them by their fruit." -Matthew 7:15-16 Jesus said that their inward motivation will eventually be seen in their actions. In Review: What Is A Wolf? According to the Bible, there's nothing good about a wolf--nothing. A wolf is a cunning, hostile, marauding animal--intelligent, clever, calculating, an opportunist in the animal kingdom, and the arch enemy of sheep. Jesus used a wolf (Gk.lukos-- weighty one) metaphorically to describe a false prophet, minister, or teacher--a cruel, greedy, destructive person (usually a person in a leadership position)--someone who would oppress and ruin the church. The Bible warns us a wolf often looks and sounds just like the other sheep, but he shares similar outward characteristics only and spends most of his time around the sheep (not for fellowship, but to size up his prey). But he will freely sacrifice the sheep should trouble arise. Compare this to a true shepherd who will oppose a wolf at the risk and cost of his own life. Carnivores and herbivores do not hang out together. Most alarmingly of all, a wolf is a carnivore--he loves freshly killed sheep! A sheep is an herbivore; carnivores and herbivores do not hang out together. Make no mistake about it, a wolf feeds on sheep. He sees them only as a resource for his selfish purposes--a food source! A wolf is someone greedy for personal gain, who can never have enough. He is a hireling working primarily for the money--not a true shepherd (John 10:11-13). His only interest is personal advancement at the expense of others. A wolf is ruthless and loveless--a "taker." He openly violates God's principles of agape love in I Corinthians 13. Most wolves don't know how to love--they're just hunters living for the kill. A wolf scatters the flock--he's not a true leader. His ministry is often characterized by the number of dead sheep left scattered around him. Any contact with a wolf will lead to destruction and eventual death for the sheep. A wolf only gathers sheep to use them or disqualify them (John 10:12). A wolf leads sheep astray--twisting and distorting the truth. A wolf is often weak theologically, even heretical, and cares little for the orthodoxy of Scripture. His goal is not healthy, well fed, theologically balanced, sheep but gullible, vulnerable, dependent sheep--mindless, spineless followers. Self-preservation is the prime motivation of a wolf. A wolf misleads people by drawing them to his own personality instead of drawing them to the heart and rule of God--his outward appearance concealing his inward motives. He will talk, teach, preach, sing, or act just like a sheep, but his desire or motivation is entirely different. A wolf possesses a self-important spirit--often boasting of a false gift or ministry. A wolf looks for quick results that require little sacrifice. He is impatient, impulsive, immature, premature in all he does. He's an aggressive animal--a pushy personality, often displaying erratic behavior. A wolf thinks only of himself--usually an acutely selfish and self-destructive personality. Self-preservation is the prime motivation of a wolf. A wolf is often a betrayer and knows little of relational loyalty. A wolf is an untrustworthy person--never turn your back on one--never trust a wolf. Jim Jones was a wolf. If a wolf offers you a glass of Kool-Aid, don't accept it! A wolf is someone who has not submitted his life to the Lordship of Jesus. A wolf is usually an unbroken vessel--lacking genuine authority in God. He will impugn the character of others, while totally ignoring his own sins. A wolf seeks God for the wrong reasons--for what he can get from Him rather than for who God is. A wolf is an impostor, easily mistaken for a true shepherd until his motives are revealed by his actions, his fruit. (life-style, character, teaching, and influence). Never listen to what a wolf says. Listen to what he does; look at his track record. A wolf takes control no matter what it takes: trickery, deceit, manipulation, intimidation, false doctrine, clandestine meetings, power plays, secrecy, planting seeds of distrust, discord, disloyalty, or spiritual witchcraft. He will use any means available. A wolf thinks nothing of illegal, unethical, or unscriptural behavior. To a wolf, the end always justifies the means. Left to his own devices, a wolf will ultimately destroy any church he leads. 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