Besides,you're the one who invoked Godfrey's law or whoever it is that says you can't mention Hitler or any of those bad guys in an internet discussion...
Hey, I mentioned Stalin too! So what law did I invoke with that?
Drawing a similarity between Martindale and Hitler and Stalin,is that a conclusion you've reached when you were a follower of the way ministry,or perhaps some time later,maybe even after joining Greasespot
First off, my drawing the similarity between Martindale and Hitler/Stalin wasn't referring to the intensity of their abuse. If *that* were the case, Hitler/Stalin would win hands down over Martindale. No question! But then again, not every time when someone mentions Hitler (or Stalin for that matter) are they necessarily knee-jerking Godwin's Law, nor necessarily drawing a simple quantitative comparison of abuses in question, but might be referring to some other standard or characteristic.
Two, I used Hitler and Stalin as examples of men who, by the very nature/intensity/quality of their abuse, makes *whatever* good that they (invariably) did look insignificant/irrelevant by comparison. Ie., a non-issue.
Now, that is *my* rendering of the man. YMMV (Your mileage may vary) You might, or even undoubtedly, have seen him do some good based on *your* experiences with the guy. Ok, granted. Others might not be so generous, or even share that view, based on *their* experiences. Same principle can be rendered upon VPW too.
And yes, we should be telling both sides of the story. ..... Now where did I clearly indicate that that should not be the case, hmmmm?
Ya know, it has been said that even Joseph Stalin had his good points. He loved his daughter.
Heh! This would be like someone starting a thread about "Hitler - anything good to say?"
And the point that would be ... ?
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Well mebbe I jumped to conclusions here,but this post kinda gave me that idea...Oh,and forget about chess...You'll kick my foot(I actually typed 'foot' to see if it would come out 'as s') any day of the week....I do play a mean game of Chinese Checkers,though...
A) God allows evil to reign (for a good reason of course)
B) God has not enough power to stop the evil from reinging (Why do we we even call him our God then?)
C) God is too busy and just isn't priority to stop him (Must be the Deist resting somewhere - Go wake Him up)
D) God doesn't know (Umm, again, why do we call Him our God?)
There's another option. God's love allowed Adam's free will to give the devil rulership and dominion over this world, thus giving the devil access to do evil to God's creation. That's not a good reason, but it's a reason. God's love also allowed the devil to trip over his tail by crucifying Jesus and sealing his own doom.
You said "so, if he is allowing evil to rule (for his own 'good reasons', doncha know ) then he is either not onmipotent, ... or he is malevolent, ... or he is the cause of the evil, ... or he just ain't God. ..... then that must mean that basically the evil comes from him. Right?
So, how does that make him righteous and pure, aka the verses in James (you know, the ones that talk about him being "The Light, and in Him is no darkness at all" and all the others that portray this?)"
Actually it means He is the most loving of all (and in Him is no darkness), because he allows the devil to live yet promises protection and life to all those who come to Him. Therefore he wouldn't be resposible, for he gave you the choice. He is still God, and your creator.
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JohnIam,
You said "There's another option. God's love allowed Adam's free will to give the devil rulership and dominion over this world, thus giving the devil access to do evil to God's creation. That's not a good reason, but it's a reason. God's love also allowed the devil to trip over his tail by crucifying Jesus and sealing his own doom."
Actually that would be still the same option A, God allows evil to reign....
Didn't say it reigns over all.. Only those who allow it to reign..
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First off, my drawing the similarity between Martindale and Hitler/Stalin wasn't referring to the intensity of their abuse. If *that* were the case, Hitler/Stalin would win hands down over Martindale. No question! But then again, not every time when someone mentions Hitler (or Stalin for that matter) are they necessarily knee-jerking Godwin's Law, nor necessarily drawing a simple quantitative comparison of abuses in question, but might be referring to some other standard or characteristic.
Two, I used Hitler and Stalin as examples of men who, by the very nature/intensity/quality of their abuse, makes *whatever* good that they (invariably) did look insignificant/irrelevant by comparison. Ie., a non-issue.
Now, that is *my* rendering of the man. YMMV (Your mileage may vary) You might, or even undoubtedly, have seen him do some good based on *your* experiences with the guy. Ok, granted. Others might not be so generous, or even share that view, based on *their* experiences. Same principle can be rendered upon VPW too.
And yes, we should be telling both sides of the story. ..... Now where did I clearly indicate that that should not be the case, hmmmm?
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Well mebbe I jumped to conclusions here,but this post kinda gave me that idea...Oh,and forget about chess...You'll kick my foot(I actually typed 'foot' to see if it would come out 'as s') any day of the week....I do play a mean game of Chinese Checkers,though...
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quote: Either :
A) God allows evil to reign (for a good reason of course)
B) God has not enough power to stop the evil from reinging (Why do we we even call him our God then?)
C) God is too busy and just isn't priority to stop him (Must be the Deist resting somewhere - Go wake Him up)
D) God doesn't know (Umm, again, why do we call Him our God?)
There's another option. God's love allowed Adam's free will to give the devil rulership and dominion over this world, thus giving the devil access to do evil to God's creation. That's not a good reason, but it's a reason. God's love also allowed the devil to trip over his tail by crucifying Jesus and sealing his own doom.
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Simon... it's "Godwin's Law"... (just thought I'd help out here)
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simonzelotes
Thanks,Tom...I thought maybe I heard it on The Arthur Godfrey Show...
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dmiller
What cult did Stalin, or Hitler lead that we followed,
that we are *qualified* to address, from a first hand basis???
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FOOCLOL, Tbone!!!!!!
What can I say nice about Craig?
HE IS SOMEONE THAT GOD LOVES VERY, VERY MUCH :-)
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Garth,
You said "so, if he is allowing evil to rule (for his own 'good reasons', doncha know ) then he is either not onmipotent, ... or he is malevolent, ... or he is the cause of the evil, ... or he just ain't God. ..... then that must mean that basically the evil comes from him. Right?
So, how does that make him righteous and pure, aka the verses in James (you know, the ones that talk about him being "The Light, and in Him is no darkness at all" and all the others that portray this?)"
Actually it means He is the most loving of all (and in Him is no darkness), because he allows the devil to live yet promises protection and life to all those who come to Him. Therefore he wouldn't be resposible, for he gave you the choice. He is still God, and your creator.
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JohnIam,
You said "There's another option. God's love allowed Adam's free will to give the devil rulership and dominion over this world, thus giving the devil access to do evil to God's creation. That's not a good reason, but it's a reason. God's love also allowed the devil to trip over his tail by crucifying Jesus and sealing his own doom."
Actually that would be still the same option A, God allows evil to reign....
Didn't say it reigns over all.. Only those who allow it to reign..
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maybe lcm was a good young boy but methinks he turned evil but he had help
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