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Please accept this thread as an open bottle of inquiry into this, our living lexicon...

feel free to read and/or contribute in states of playful seriousity...

...

If a word is the glass...and meaning is wine...

...what words do you think/feel would/should/could be refreshed with new wines of meaning?

...what words do you think/feel would/should/could be spilled of old meaning?

...how might we refresh these questions?

chianti?

pinot?

zin?

...

clink!

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If a word is the glass...and meaning is wine...

...what words do you think/feel would/should/could be refreshed with new wines of meaning?

...what words do you think/feel would/should/could be spilled of old meaning?

...how might we refresh these questions?

excellent sirguess.....

refresh the meaning with another word

or

refresh the word with a another meaning

if the old meaning is spilled

isn't the word changed a bit?

with the new wine?

and perhaps a different glass would hold the wine better

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I think most of the time you need the *nose* to truly appreciate the depth of a wine.

The glass helps, but if you don't have the nose and a sensitive palate, a truly great wine will be lost on the uninitiated.

I like the word "cash." It is the equivalent to cool, bad, bad a$$, awesome and of course "coolnosity".

As in, +/_ODD, you are cash.

This thread is totally cash.

Like "you are so money, and you don't even know it" -swingers

Salute!

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that is a very cool link, cman

what is the meaning of life?

being ex-TWI...here are some glasses and goblets i recommend starting with...

love

joy

peace

power

abundant

life

way

tree

fellowship

prayer

believing

worship

God

spirit

good

evil

truth

scripture

heaven

hell

eternal

wisdom

knowledge

discipline

foundational

intermediate

advanced

class

teacher

student

...

if a tree is a system

and language is a system

to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil

would be to break a stem from the WHOLE system

and turn away from the WHOLE tree (holy tree?)

and then mistake the dead little STEM for the WHOLE tree

rejecting the whole LIVING system of meaning

in exchange them for a DEAD stem

whose limited meaning is already withering

and coming to a fossilized stop

this is the original sin of religions and cults

...breaking off an idol of paper that is no longer able to change meaning

and forgetting that the WHOLE tree is always still right here

imho ... "the living word" is NOT the bible...but life itself as language

and respect for the word is respect for language itself as being a living growing system of meaning making

and as such...a tree of life...our very lives are languages being spoken

like a choir of countless angels

not that this vast choir "showed up" on Jesus's birthday

...but that this orchestra of meaning was simply seen for a moment

the nature of the WHOLE universe is being infinite forests of fields of voices

the tree of living words is already always simply right here

within each of us is already a private library of meanings...a lexicon of wines and wineskins

...and a library card ...like a flaming sword that turns every way

how free are we?

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...what words do you think/feel would/should/could be refreshed with new wines of meaning?

...what words do you think/feel would/should/could be spilled of old meaning?

...how might we refresh these questions?

VG question---

For me there are good words ...very good words---excellent words, whose authentic meaning was soured by my association with the way International....Faith---Love....Its unfortuante but true...the concepts I can occasionally grasp.. but am jaded to reach for that new bottle of wine because the souredness of the old wine at times leaves me a bit gunshy....The 'old meaning' i know was not an accurate portrayal of what those words genuinely represent.... still any bottle, even a new bottle with that label makes me look hard and look twice or three times before I partake-if I partake at all.

I have tossed out the old meaning--but in words difficult to define or redefine and also subject to so many interpretations, usages and misuages I have yet to find universal definitions or meanings attached to the words that consistantly appeals to my palate.

Its a rare thing--like that finest glass of wine when you finally find it

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mmm

i often wonder if "all men are liars" speaks as much to the natural woundedness of man

as it does to the natural limits of language

we are not liars because we speak a lie

but because all language is a lie..though also quite innocent of the crime of lying

language only points to that which is beyond language

just as the map is not the same as the territory

though once we embrace this nature of lying tongues..it becomes good again...simply because we know it

...and every single simple lying word becomes a portal to a vast universe of meaning

...

and a new tongue is not simply a new tongue...or a new set of definitions...or simply a new wine in the glass

but rather...a new way of finding meaning...and a new flexibility and freedom to simply finding more meaning as the moment presents

...a new way of simply being able to refill the glass without fear

...or even dump the glass for a new kind of mug altogether

like having a compass to go with the map

or a sommelier to go with a dinner party

the capacity to know the difference between a cheap table wine and a tonnelier

(again...i speak of being able to distinguish the vintage of meaning, not wines)

...

"Its a rare thing--like that finest glass of wine when you finally find it"

reminds me of how meaning is not really "made," per se

but is found ...like truths hiding in the dark

...truths we never find when we believe that evil alone lurks in the dark

without...and within

...

a positively odd side-note...i've just landed a new role as the warehouse manager for a high-end fine wine distributor

where finding the right vintage can be like finding a needle in a haystack

and i am finding the quality and quantity of parallels to be staggering

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Please accept this thread as an open bottle of inquiry into this, our living lexicon...

feel free to read and/or contribute in states of playful seriousity...

...

If a word is the glass...and meaning is wine...

...what words do you think/feel would/should/could be refreshed with new wines of meaning?

...what words do you think/feel would/should/could be spilled of old meaning?

...how might we refresh these questions?

chianti?

pinot?

zin?

...

clink!

and refreshing the questions...

even if you are not currently sure what words might replace them...

...what words do you feel/think are worth replacing with other words?

what very valid words did TWI/PFAL/VPW cheapen...flatten...break off into a stem of an idol?

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reminds me of how meaning is not really "made," per se

but is found ...like truths hiding in the dark

...truths we never find when we believe that evil alone lurks in the dark

without...and within

Yes on God and Research for sure.

Which reminds me of what sirguess said here.

We were taught to fear the dark as evil rather then look into it.

If we can't look into anything then we are severely limited and remain 'in the dark'.

Which is where the fine wines of truth are stored.....

Out of darkness, the light shines.

And there was darkness upon the face of the deep.

And God said let there be light and it was so.

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God first

Beloved Todd and everybody here as a Greaser no longer a twi'er

God loves you guys and lovely girls

Word that lost their meaning from TWI

faith

pray

understanding

right

dividing

devil

satan

fellowship

spirit

gifts

self

trinity

rapture

virture

stoned

words that lost their meaning in today's churches

power

money

spiritish

parnoral

hearing

faith

temple

only

god

faith

groups seem to turn words into a mockly

thank you

with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

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so what's more the meaning or the glass that holds the meaning

the meaning of course, why be stuck with the same old glass

when it's the meaning and meanings we are after via the words

and not get hung up on words, but used in many ways to many meanings

putting some air in those flat worn out words with new words and meanings

then it's beyond words, without the meaning being lost

no matter the words used if the meaning is taking flight

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