...what words do you think/feel would/should/could be refreshed with new wines of meaning?
...what words do you think/feel would/should/could be spilled of old meaning?
...how might we refresh these questions?
VG question---
For me there are good words ...very good words---excellent words, whose authentic meaning was soured by my association with the way International....Faith---Love....Its unfortuante but true...the concepts I can occasionally grasp.. but am jaded to reach for that new bottle of wine because the souredness of the old wine at times leaves me a bit gunshy....The 'old meaning' i know was not an accurate portrayal of what those words genuinely represent.... still any bottle, even a new bottle with that label makes me look hard and look twice or three times before I partake-if I partake at all.
I have tossed out the old meaning--but in words difficult to define or redefine and also subject to so many interpretations, usages and misuages I have yet to find universal definitions or meanings attached to the words that consistantly appeals to my palate.
Its a rare thing--like that finest glass of wine when you finally find it
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excellent sirguess.....
refresh the meaning with another word
or
refresh the word with a another meaning
if the old meaning is spilled
isn't the word changed a bit?
with the new wine?
and perhaps a different glass would hold the wine better
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I think most of the time you need the *nose* to truly appreciate the depth of a wine.
The glass helps, but if you don't have the nose and a sensitive palate, a truly great wine will be lost on the uninitiated.
I like the word "cash." It is the equivalent to cool, bad, bad a$$, awesome and of course "coolnosity".
As in, +/_ODD, you are cash.
This thread is totally cash.
Like "you are so money, and you don't even know it" -swingers
Salute!
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that is a very cool link, cman
what is the meaning of life?
being ex-TWI...here are some glasses and goblets i recommend starting with...
love
joy
peace
power
abundant
life
way
tree
fellowship
prayer
believing
worship
God
spirit
good
evil
truth
scripture
heaven
hell
eternal
wisdom
knowledge
discipline
foundational
intermediate
advanced
class
teacher
student
...
if a tree is a system
and language is a system
to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil
would be to break a stem from the WHOLE system
and turn away from the WHOLE tree (holy tree?)
and then mistake the dead little STEM for the WHOLE tree
rejecting the whole LIVING system of meaning
in exchange them for a DEAD stem
whose limited meaning is already withering
and coming to a fossilized stop
this is the original sin of religions and cults
...breaking off an idol of paper that is no longer able to change meaning
and forgetting that the WHOLE tree is always still right here
imho ... "the living word" is NOT the bible...but life itself as language
and respect for the word is respect for language itself as being a living growing system of meaning making
and as such...a tree of life...our very lives are languages being spoken
like a choir of countless angels
not that this vast choir "showed up" on Jesus's birthday
...but that this orchestra of meaning was simply seen for a moment
the nature of the WHOLE universe is being infinite forests of fields of voices
the tree of living words is already always simply right here
within each of us is already a private library of meanings...a lexicon of wines and wineskins
...and a library card ...like a flaming sword that turns every way
how free are we?
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VG question---
For me there are good words ...very good words---excellent words, whose authentic meaning was soured by my association with the way International....Faith---Love....Its unfortuante but true...the concepts I can occasionally grasp.. but am jaded to reach for that new bottle of wine because the souredness of the old wine at times leaves me a bit gunshy....The 'old meaning' i know was not an accurate portrayal of what those words genuinely represent.... still any bottle, even a new bottle with that label makes me look hard and look twice or three times before I partake-if I partake at all.
I have tossed out the old meaning--but in words difficult to define or redefine and also subject to so many interpretations, usages and misuages I have yet to find universal definitions or meanings attached to the words that consistantly appeals to my palate.
Its a rare thing--like that finest glass of wine when you finally find it
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sirguessalot
mmm
i often wonder if "all men are liars" speaks as much to the natural woundedness of man
as it does to the natural limits of language
we are not liars because we speak a lie
but because all language is a lie..though also quite innocent of the crime of lying
language only points to that which is beyond language
just as the map is not the same as the territory
though once we embrace this nature of lying tongues..it becomes good again...simply because we know it
...and every single simple lying word becomes a portal to a vast universe of meaning
...
and a new tongue is not simply a new tongue...or a new set of definitions...or simply a new wine in the glass
but rather...a new way of finding meaning...and a new flexibility and freedom to simply finding more meaning as the moment presents
...a new way of simply being able to refill the glass without fear
...or even dump the glass for a new kind of mug altogether
like having a compass to go with the map
or a sommelier to go with a dinner party
the capacity to know the difference between a cheap table wine and a tonnelier
(again...i speak of being able to distinguish the vintage of meaning, not wines)
...
"Its a rare thing--like that finest glass of wine when you finally find it"
reminds me of how meaning is not really "made," per se
but is found ...like truths hiding in the dark
...truths we never find when we believe that evil alone lurks in the dark
without...and within
...
a positively odd side-note...i've just landed a new role as the warehouse manager for a high-end fine wine distributor
where finding the right vintage can be like finding a needle in a haystack
and i am finding the quality and quantity of parallels to be staggering
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and refreshing the questions...
even if you are not currently sure what words might replace them...
...what words do you feel/think are worth replacing with other words?
what very valid words did TWI/PFAL/VPW cheapen...flatten...break off into a stem of an idol?
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mstar1
God
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Research.
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cman
Yes on God and Research for sure.
Which reminds me of what sirguess said here.
We were taught to fear the dark as evil rather then look into it.
If we can't look into anything then we are severely limited and remain 'in the dark'.
Which is where the fine wines of truth are stored.....
Out of darkness, the light shines.
And there was darkness upon the face of the deep.
And God said let there be light and it was so.
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the WORD...............
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excathedra
and nothing but....
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Faith
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cman
hmmm..lets try that
in this somewhat limited yet expandable site
expandable when introducing our own thoughts as well
http://www.visuwords.com/?word=faith
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God first
Beloved Todd and everybody here as a Greaser no longer a twi'er
God loves you guys and lovely girls
Word that lost their meaning from TWI
faith
pray
understanding
right
dividing
devil
satan
fellowship
spirit
gifts
self
trinity
rapture
virture
stoned
words that lost their meaning in today's churches
power
money
spiritish
parnoral
hearing
faith
temple
only
god
faith
groups seem to turn words into a mockly
thank you
with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy
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cman
so what's more the meaning or the glass that holds the meaning
the meaning of course, why be stuck with the same old glass
when it's the meaning and meanings we are after via the words
and not get hung up on words, but used in many ways to many meanings
putting some air in those flat worn out words with new words and meanings
then it's beyond words, without the meaning being lost
no matter the words used if the meaning is taking flight
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