cheranne Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 (edited) Watching sci-fi channel Bob Larson is on casting out devils. What is your take on this? I know there is a fine line between people who play act the whole devil thing but then there are the "real" ones who are NOT playing! Edited October 31, 2008 by cheranne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waysider Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Watching sci-fi channel Bob Larson is on casting out devils.What is your take on this? I know there is a fine line between people who play act the whole devil thing but then there are the "real" ones who are NOT playing! And therein lies one of the biggest dilemmas an exwayfer can face. VPW said cancer was caused by a devil spirit. His cause of death? Cancer. VPW said alcoholism was a devil spirit. He lived in a constant state of drunkenness. Same thing with sexual predation, etc., etc. So were we following the teachings of a possessed man? Or was that just one of the many things he was completely wrong about? It doesn't look good either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheranne Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 The spirit of a LIAR (vpw) was,with no spiritual blood line of the true God(that is what I believe) Substituting lies in place of the TRUTH . Making money off us people from these lies and creating an artifical oasis of hope for people vunerable to want truth a counterfiet sales man for the father of lies. A candy coated spiritual darkness with twist and turns of a preditor to destroy its prey,luring it to spiritual death traps by each one reaching one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so it was Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Didn't we have to stay on our toes because the devil knew the word inside and out, makes you think doesn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheranne Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 Yeah,but the devil doesn't have the "blood of Jesus" we should have been able to see thru the smoke screen if we were so "in tune" manifesting 9 all the time in the hamster wheel of TWI" a bunch of BALONEY. Funny how spiritual things became clearer when we left TWI and keep getting clearer everyday your out of TWI(for those still stuck in the mire) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brideofjc Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 And therein lies one of the biggest dilemmas an exwayfer can face.VPW said cancer was caused by a devil spirit. His cause of death? Cancer. VPW said alcoholism was a devil spirit. He lived in a constant state of drunkenness. Same thing with sexual predation, etc., etc. So were we following the teachings of a possessed man? Or was that just one of the many things he was completely wrong about? It doesn't look good either way. Truly a possess-O but not in O-R-E-O! :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so it was Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Puts a new twist on "keep your friends close, but your enemies closer" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Watching sci-fi channel Bob Larson is on casting out devils.What is your take on this? I know there is a fine line between people who play act the whole devil thing but then there are the "real" ones who are NOT playing! I haven't met one yet. That is, anything except than a "pretender".. I've met and recognized a few pretty dark souls.. I wouldn't say they are possessed or anything.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheranne Posted November 1, 2008 Author Share Posted November 1, 2008 I have . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cman Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 interpreting what we see and hear as well as our other senses inwardly and outside of us is an art i believe i have dealt with some dark stuff demons if you will in another as well as myself in dealing with another it's not so much determining what you are dealing with but what and how are you dealing with it with love? without love nothing will be accomplished for helping you have to become love to hear what to do or say same as dealing with ourselves i reckon in reflection what i thought i was dealing with was not as i was taught, but rather i was being shown what i needed to say and do though it was as dark as a 'demon' imo what is in someone's heart is none of my business and love will not rat another person out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimberly Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 I prefer watching TCM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheranne Posted November 2, 2008 Author Share Posted November 2, 2008 This is where some "christian therapist" go wrong with dealing with people coming out of cults in some cases they go through a "prayer"laying hands on the person and calling out demons. This is NOT a good idea in most cases the person just needs correct teaching ,but I guess it depends on the individual(?) and what type of lifestyle they are going for by that I mean wanting to stay in the christian sort of lifestyle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheranne Posted November 4, 2008 Author Share Posted November 4, 2008 But..my take on it is I suppose you could have this thru the bloodlone if you can have the genetic effects of say other problems like sickness. On a christian perspective in which I believe in still even though I am not into organized religon I believe you can renounce those things from past generations(like the sins of the father pasted on etc) On a human level renouce those things like child abuse(I never hit my kids even though I was spanked) Some people need deeper help,like support groups for deeper issues.. Then some people are just evil. (if they go to church or not) Everything is spiritual,that is what I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimberly Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Through the bloodline? No, through methods, wiles and schemes. Generational..... You nailed it sister girl, everything is spiritual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waysider Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Actually, I do remember VPW teaching something along that line in the AC. I don't know about the blood part but he taught that it was familial. He used that well known scripture from the OT to "prove" it. He said that if you didn't do the right thing spiritually in this lifetime, your descendants would suffer consequences. I guess that seals the fate of The Sowers program, huh? Personally, I think he just used it as yet another method to prod people into submission. He was good at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheranne Posted November 7, 2008 Author Share Posted November 7, 2008 watch this HBO true blood scene http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RurBS_kk7EM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheranne Posted November 7, 2008 Author Share Posted November 7, 2008 Watching sci-fi channel Bob Larson is on casting out devils.What is your take on this? I know there is a fine line between people who play act the whole devil thing but then there are the "real" ones who are NOT playing! This is Bob Larson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTPq9-Zw0XE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lindyhopper Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 (edited) thanks for that. I laughed and then I locked my doors. The best part was when he punched him in the gut with his Bible. Brought back memories. Personally I don't think demons are in the blood line. I think they are passed on through and ride around on dust in your house. the mind is a terrible thing to waste. Edited November 8, 2008 by lindyhopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheranne Posted November 8, 2008 Author Share Posted November 8, 2008 hahah I laughed too. But I like that show True Blood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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And therein lies one of the biggest dilemmas an exwayfer can face.
VPW said cancer was caused by a devil spirit. His cause of death? Cancer.
VPW said alcoholism was a devil spirit. He lived in a constant state of drunkenness.
Same thing with sexual predation, etc., etc.
So were we following the teachings of a possessed man?
Or was that just one of the many things he was completely wrong about?
It doesn't look good either way.
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cheranne
The spirit of a LIAR (vpw) was,with no spiritual blood line of the true God(that is what I believe)
Substituting lies in place of the TRUTH . Making money off us people from these lies and creating
an artifical oasis of hope for people vunerable to want truth a counterfiet sales man for the father
of lies.
A candy coated spiritual darkness with twist and turns of a preditor to destroy its prey,luring it to
spiritual death traps by each one reaching one.
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so it was
Didn't we have to stay on our toes because the devil knew the word inside and out, makes you think doesn't it.
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Yeah,but the devil doesn't have the "blood of Jesus" we should have been able to see thru the
smoke screen if we were so "in tune" manifesting 9 all the time in the hamster wheel of TWI"
a bunch of BALONEY.
Funny how spiritual things became clearer when we left TWI and keep getting clearer everyday
your out of TWI(for those still stuck in the mire)
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brideofjc
Truly a possess-O
but not in O-R-E-O! :blink:
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so it was
Puts a new twist on "keep your friends close, but your enemies closer"
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I haven't met one yet. That is, anything except than a "pretender"..
I've met and recognized a few pretty dark souls.. I wouldn't say they are possessed or anything..
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cheranne
I have .
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cman
interpreting what we see and hear as well as our other senses
inwardly and outside of us
is an art i believe
i have dealt with some dark stuff
demons if you will
in another as well as myself
in dealing with another
it's not so much determining what you are dealing with
but what and how are you dealing with it
with love?
without love nothing will be accomplished for helping
you have to become love to hear what to do or say
same as dealing with ourselves i reckon
in reflection what i thought i was dealing with was not as i was taught, but rather i was being shown what i needed to say and do
though it was as dark as a 'demon' imo
what is in someone's heart is none of my business
and love will not rat another person out
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kimberly
I prefer watching TCM.
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This is where some "christian therapist" go wrong with dealing with people coming out of cults
in some cases they go through a "prayer"laying hands on the person and calling out demons.
This is NOT a good idea in most cases the person just needs correct teaching ,but I guess it
depends on the individual(?)
and what type of lifestyle they are going for by that I mean wanting to stay in the christian sort
of lifestyle.
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cheranne
But..my take on it is I suppose you could have this thru the bloodlone if you can have the genetic
effects of say other problems like sickness.
On a christian perspective in which I believe in still even though I am not into organized religon
I believe you can renounce those things from past generations(like the sins of the father pasted on etc)
On a human level renouce those things like child abuse(I never hit my kids even though I was spanked)
Some people need deeper help,like support groups for deeper issues..
Then some people are just evil. (if they go to church or not)
Everything is spiritual,that is what I believe.
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kimberly
Through the bloodline? No, through methods, wiles and schemes. Generational.....
You nailed it sister girl, everything is spiritual.
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waysider
Actually, I do remember VPW teaching something along that line in the AC.
I don't know about the blood part but he taught that it was familial. He used that well known scripture from the OT to "prove" it.
He said that if you didn't do the right thing spiritually in this lifetime, your descendants would suffer consequences.
I guess that seals the fate of The Sowers program, huh?
Personally, I think he just used it as yet another method to prod people into submission.
He was good at that.
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cheranne
watch this HBO true blood scene
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RurBS_kk7EM
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This is Bob Larson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTPq9-Zw0XE
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lindyhopper
thanks for that. I laughed and then I locked my doors.
The best part was when he punched him in the gut with his Bible. Brought back memories.
Personally I don't think demons are in the blood line. I think they are passed on through and ride around on dust in your house.
the mind is a terrible thing to waste.
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