Information is a tiny piece or a bit connected to another bit that makes a thought.
A tiny piece or bit of what? Order? Isn't order a quality that describes relationship. Isn't knowledge awareness of order. Aren't thoughts dynamic functions within the order of the mind?
It seems information is the lowest factor of intellectual expression. Information can be a series of numbers or an assumption that is not proven. Information can take on many forms and the opposite of information is still information. Anything that informs be it positive or negative. Information can be false or true so it is subjective as to the quality thereof.
What is information to one person is old hat or irrelevant to another. What has serious depth and meaning to one can be a farce or gibberish to another.
Information assumes we are not already knowing of all things. Like a veil that is lifted, free will and freedom to speculate. Information as with DNA codes for a certain result.
For information to cease it would take obliteration of all consciousness from the lowest microbial consciousness to the highest of all minds, the theoretical God....
Information (in Quantum physics, anyways) is instgruction(s) - That which tells an electron, lepton, positron quark, boson etc,... where to be what to make up etc. Should a quark have a top spin or a strange one (or any of the other 4 spins)? Shouls a wave-like particle be a positron or an electron - In other words, how does it know which to charge to have? should a wave be gamma or photon etc... And after all that - there must be instructions as to which niche in existance it has to fill. will it be part of an atom? free or random? Should it convert to energy? how fast should it go?
Each of even the smallest particles can exchange "information". They not only follow laws, but they know how - somehow. The coolest thing I learned in college last year, is that their instructions can be changed,... they can be given "orders". It does seem, however, that information is almost always more than one single bit, like lego blocks - information doesn't make much till it's put to use to make something more. - or something less.
Long distance information is what you might need to get connected to MEMPHIS.
AWESOME! :) I love it when you post music in my threads Waysider, keep it up please. It provides the best release and environment where thoughts can incubate and flourish to fruition.
Information (in Quantum physics, anyways) is instgruction(s) - That which tells an electron, lepton, positron quark, boson etc,... where to be what to make up etc. Should a quark have a top spin or a strange one (or any of the other 4 spins)? Shouls a wave-like particle be a positron or an electron - In other words, how does it know which to charge to have? should a wave be gamma or photon etc... And after all that - there must be instructions as to which niche in existance it has to fill. will it be part of an atom? free or random? Should it convert to energy? how fast should it go?
Each of even the smallest particles can exchange "information". They not only follow laws, but they know how - somehow. The coolest thing I learned in college last year, is that their instructions can be changed,... they can be given "orders". It does seem, however, that information is almost always more than one single bit, like lego blocks - information doesn't make much till it's put to use to make something more. - or something less.
INCREDIBLE! It is really interesting to think that an atom uses information with intent as opposed to some static mechanism. That atoms KNOW how to understand the nearly imperceptibly small bits of information. I have for a number of years believed that atoms were an extension of the life force that pervades all biology.
Atoms have perception and while we get information from newspapers they have their own media outlets that inform them of how to operate in an often unpredictable environment of seemingly chaos and order. People are too quick to assume that humans are the only form of highly intelligent life forms on earth. We can look to rocks and minerals and find they have their own set of rules and information that guides them to a desired outcome driven by the will of their own hearts and minds. Maybe if people were to understand that rocks are living organisms too they would value lesser life forms with a bit more care and concern.
I just wonder if it takes only a tiny bit of information to cause the entire universe to uncreate...
Is the essence of God information or does God supersede even the need for the least bit of information. Even zero is information on a certain level.
Revelation 21:23
And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
It seems information is the lowest factor of intellectual expression. Information can be a series of numbers or an assumption that is not proven. Information can take on many forms and the opposite of information is still information. Anything that informs be it positive or negative. Information can be false or true so it is subjective as to the quality thereof.
What is information to one person is old hat or irrelevant to another. What has serious depth and meaning to one can be a farce or gibberish to another.
Information assumes we are not already knowing of all things. Like a veil that is lifted, free will and freedom to speculate. Information as with DNA codes for a certain result.
For information to cease it would take obliteration of all consciousness from the lowest microbial consciousness to the highest of all minds, the theoretical God....
It seems information is the lowest factor of intellectual expression.( Is that a fact.) Information can be a series of numbers or an assumption that is not proven. ( Really, I didn't know that.) Information can take on many forms and the opposite of information is still information. ( Did you figure that out yourself? That's amazing!) Anything that informs be it positive or negative. Information can be false or true so it is subjective as to the quality thereof. ( Is that so.)
What is information to one person is old hat or irrelevant to another.( That's remarkable!) What has serious depth and meaning to one can be a farce or gibberish to another.( No kidding. That's something else!)
Information assumes we are not already knowing of all things. Like a veil that is lifted, free will and freedom to speculate. Information as with DNA codes for a certain result. ( Where did you find these answers? Wow the mysteries are unfolding.)
For information to cease it would take obliteration of all consciousness from the lowest microbial consciousness to the highest of all minds, the theoretical God....( (The theory of God). By Dr. WW.)
:)
I'm kidding around of course. ;) But what is the point. Anything (music, information, air-----------on and on) is all made up of spirit. Everything that exists is spirit. God created it.
To be more precise. [ Everything that was made was made by him.] I paraphrased John 1. 3
If God is spirit---------well what's your point, Dr?
I'm kidding around of course. ;) But what is the point. Anything (music, information, air-----------on and on) is all made up of spirit. Everything that exists is spirit. God created it.
To be more precise. [ Everything that was made was made by him.] I paraphrased John 1. 3
If God is spirit---------well what's your point, Dr?
Spirit is invisible right? So how can all things visible as you say be made of it? Is evil made of holy spirit too? The only way we would know of spirit is through our knowledge of spirit and the only way we are known is through God's knowledge of us.
Would the bible be the same if Roman 10:9 + 10 were missing? Where would the spirit be then? The holy spirit is dependent upon "accurate" knowledge.
Proverbs 1:2
To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding;
knowledge = ?
wisdom = ?
instruction = ?
perception = ?
words = ?
understanding = ?
do they all mean the same thing?
which one is information?
People use knowledge of the bible's laws to judge others yet do they really have understanding, wisdom, perception or spirit?
How can we judge people by a book that does not even know that while the great pyramids were being built this supposed great flood occurred? Where is the water mark on the pyramids? Is this knowledge without information? Is this knowledge credible enough to be putting one's faith into it?
According to some info the flood was water, as in H2o.
Was it?
Is external and internal knowledge or info reliable?
There are other ways of knowing.
Not knowledge or information, enlightenment is one word for the ways.
The Holy Spirit is depending on what, accurate knowledge?
I don't think so. Pitch that accurate knowledge.
And leave it behind and let the Holy Spirit work it's own work in and out.
It does a lot better if we get out of it's way.
Proverbs 1:2
To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding;
All the work of men will not achieve this.
The bible does not "Pitch that accurate knowledge.
And leave it behind and let the Holy Spirit work it's own work in and out." Notice how often the word spirit is accompanied with "accurate knowledge" It is as if the spirit is defendant upon information...
spirit of holiness
spirit in the gospel
newness of spirit
Spirit of life
spiritually minded
Spirit of Christ
Spirit of God
Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead
spirit of bondage
firstfruits of the Spirit
mind of the Spirit
spirit of slumber
fervent in spirit
power of the Spirit
love of the Spirit
demonstration of the Spirit
for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God [accurate knowledge].
spirit of the world
comparing spiritual things [matters/information] with spiritual
spiritual judgment
spirit of meekness
present in spirit [spiritual presence]
Spirit in the bond of peace
spirit of your mind
spiritual songs
spiritual wickedness in high places
supplication in the Spirit
fellowship of the Spirit
spiritual understanding
your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless
sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
justified in the Spirit
spirit of fear
angels spirits [messengers of knowledge]
ministering spirits
spiritual meat [associated with knowledge]
spiritual Rock
spiritual gifts
speaking by the Spirit
discerning of spirits
howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries
I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
spirits of the prophets
quickening spirit
earnest of the Spirit
spirit of faith
fruit of the Spirit
spirit of wisdom
eternal Spirit
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. [faith and spirit cometh by hearing]
sanctification of the Spirit
truth through the Spirit
built up a spiritual house
meek and quiet spirit
spirits in prison
spirit of glory
believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God:
Spirit is truth
seven Spirits which are before his throne
Spirit on the Lord's day
the seven Spirits of God
having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God
spirit of life
spirits of devils
spirit into the wilderness
foul spirit
spirit of prophecy
spirit to a great and high mountain
And the Spirit and the bride say
The bible does not leave the spirit alone to just do as it will, it is nearly always accompanied with some sort of other "information"... :)
In other words, the spirit is dead without accurate knowledge and knowledge is dead without the spirit.
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Information is order, or kosmos.
The opposite of information is disorder, or chaos.
A living cell is a temporary respository of order purchased at the cost of a constant flow of energy.
Love,
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Information is a tiny piece or a bit connected to another bit that makes a thought.
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A tiny piece or bit of what? Order? Isn't order a quality that describes relationship. Isn't knowledge awareness of order. Aren't thoughts dynamic functions within the order of the mind?
Love,
Steve
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sirguessalot
information is a word at least.
what is not information?
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you need an interpreter, DNA without machinery is just a molecule
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Words are often made up of numbers or bits. Numbers are information too. :)
Suffix, prefix, compound word structures, ing, tense. etc...
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cman
Do I really need this information to understand something?
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haha YES or maybe NO.
Something is two words... some and thing. err... yes... :)
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/something?r=75&src=ref&ch=dic
unspecified or unknown
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/information?r=75&src=ref&ch=dic
acquired
the act of
condition of being
along with the rest of the definition
the two cross roads at some points but not all
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No fair, chapter and verse! :P
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It seems information is the lowest factor of intellectual expression. Information can be a series of numbers or an assumption that is not proven. Information can take on many forms and the opposite of information is still information. Anything that informs be it positive or negative. Information can be false or true so it is subjective as to the quality thereof.
What is information to one person is old hat or irrelevant to another. What has serious depth and meaning to one can be a farce or gibberish to another.
Information assumes we are not already knowing of all things. Like a veil that is lifted, free will and freedom to speculate. Information as with DNA codes for a certain result.
For information to cease it would take obliteration of all consciousness from the lowest microbial consciousness to the highest of all minds, the theoretical God....
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Information (in Quantum physics, anyways) is instgruction(s) - That which tells an electron, lepton, positron quark, boson etc,... where to be what to make up etc. Should a quark have a top spin or a strange one (or any of the other 4 spins)? Shouls a wave-like particle be a positron or an electron - In other words, how does it know which to charge to have? should a wave be gamma or photon etc... And after all that - there must be instructions as to which niche in existance it has to fill. will it be part of an atom? free or random? Should it convert to energy? how fast should it go?
Each of even the smallest particles can exchange "information". They not only follow laws, but they know how - somehow. The coolest thing I learned in college last year, is that their instructions can be changed,... they can be given "orders". It does seem, however, that information is almost always more than one single bit, like lego blocks - information doesn't make much till it's put to use to make something more. - or something less.
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Long distance information is what you might need to get connected to MEMPHIS.
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AWESOME! :) I love it when you post music in my threads Waysider, keep it up please. It provides the best release and environment where thoughts can incubate and flourish to fruition.
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INCREDIBLE! It is really interesting to think that an atom uses information with intent as opposed to some static mechanism. That atoms KNOW how to understand the nearly imperceptibly small bits of information. I have for a number of years believed that atoms were an extension of the life force that pervades all biology.
Atoms have perception and while we get information from newspapers they have their own media outlets that inform them of how to operate in an often unpredictable environment of seemingly chaos and order. People are too quick to assume that humans are the only form of highly intelligent life forms on earth. We can look to rocks and minerals and find they have their own set of rules and information that guides them to a desired outcome driven by the will of their own hearts and minds. Maybe if people were to understand that rocks are living organisms too they would value lesser life forms with a bit more care and concern.
I just wonder if it takes only a tiny bit of information to cause the entire universe to uncreate...
Is the essence of God information or does God supersede even the need for the least bit of information. Even zero is information on a certain level.
Revelation 21:23
And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
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cman
depending on the end result
is information or knowledge needed?
sort of like instinct or design
is knowledge needed
if it ceases then what is really happening
inside
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Thanks Cman, I don't know that quality of life and knowledge are separable...
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cman
Information deceptions explored a little-
http://youarenotsosmart.com/
A long but interesting set of articles.
Comments from others from another forum....
http://www.donationcoder.com/Forums/bb/index.php?topic=23561.msg213836#new
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Human without the bean
Thank you DR.
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To be more precise. [ Everything that was made was made by him.] I paraphrased John 1. 3
If God is spirit---------well what's your point, Dr?
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Spirit is invisible right? So how can all things visible as you say be made of it? Is evil made of holy spirit too? The only way we would know of spirit is through our knowledge of spirit and the only way we are known is through God's knowledge of us.
Would the bible be the same if Roman 10:9 + 10 were missing? Where would the spirit be then? The holy spirit is dependent upon "accurate" knowledge.
Proverbs 1:2
To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding;
knowledge = ?
wisdom = ?
instruction = ?
perception = ?
words = ?
understanding = ?
do they all mean the same thing?
which one is information?
People use knowledge of the bible's laws to judge others yet do they really have understanding, wisdom, perception or spirit?
How can we judge people by a book that does not even know that while the great pyramids were being built this supposed great flood occurred? Where is the water mark on the pyramids? Is this knowledge without information? Is this knowledge credible enough to be putting one's faith into it?
My reply is meant in humility and kindness :)
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According to some info the flood was water, as in H2o.
Was it?
Is external and internal knowledge or info reliable?
There are other ways of knowing.
Not knowledge or information, enlightenment is one word for the ways.
The Holy Spirit is depending on what, accurate knowledge?
I don't think so. Pitch that accurate knowledge.
And leave it behind and let the Holy Spirit work it's own work in and out.
It does a lot better if we get out of it's way.
Proverbs 1:2
To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding;
All the work of men will not achieve this.
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DrWearWord
The bible does not "Pitch that accurate knowledge.
And leave it behind and let the Holy Spirit work it's own work in and out." Notice how often the word spirit is accompanied with "accurate knowledge" It is as if the spirit is defendant upon information...
spirit of holiness
spirit in the gospel
newness of spirit
Spirit of life
spiritually minded
Spirit of Christ
Spirit of God
Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead
spirit of bondage
firstfruits of the Spirit
mind of the Spirit
spirit of slumber
fervent in spirit
power of the Spirit
love of the Spirit
demonstration of the Spirit
for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God [accurate knowledge].
spirit of the world
comparing spiritual things [matters/information] with spiritual
spiritual judgment
spirit of meekness
present in spirit [spiritual presence]
Spirit in the bond of peace
spirit of your mind
spiritual songs
spiritual wickedness in high places
supplication in the Spirit
fellowship of the Spirit
spiritual understanding
your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless
sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
justified in the Spirit
spirit of fear
angels spirits [messengers of knowledge]
ministering spirits
spiritual meat [associated with knowledge]
spiritual Rock
spiritual gifts
speaking by the Spirit
discerning of spirits
howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries
I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
spirits of the prophets
quickening spirit
earnest of the Spirit
spirit of faith
fruit of the Spirit
spirit of wisdom
eternal Spirit
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. [faith and spirit cometh by hearing]
sanctification of the Spirit
truth through the Spirit
built up a spiritual house
meek and quiet spirit
spirits in prison
spirit of glory
believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God:
Spirit is truth
seven Spirits which are before his throne
Spirit on the Lord's day
the seven Spirits of God
having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God
spirit of life
spirits of devils
spirit into the wilderness
foul spirit
spirit of prophecy
spirit to a great and high mountain
And the Spirit and the bride say
The bible does not leave the spirit alone to just do as it will, it is nearly always accompanied with some sort of other "information"... :)
In other words, the spirit is dead without accurate knowledge and knowledge is dead without the spirit.
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I have always thought that the water (H2O) of the flood represented paganism, but the word says what it means right?.
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