Biblical parallels

[Kit Sober]

There is biblical character = to vp: Revelations 2:6: But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I [God] also hate.

Dale Sides, extwi 6th Corps now with his own ministry Liberating Ministries for Christ International, a number of years ago put forward that the Nicolaitanes are those who overcome (nico) people's (laos) free will. A perfect description of vp et al, in my opinion.

[waysider]

Why is it when we talk about Wierwille, we so often feel compelled to compare him to Biblical figures? He wasn't a Biblical figure. In fact, aside from the fact that he used the Bible as a backdrop, there was nothing especially Biblical about him at all. Same thing with incidents we experienced in The Way. Why do we compare them to incidents that happened in the Bible? We don't live in Biblical times. We live in a completely different time and culture. Me, personally, I think VPW was more like Harold Hill from the Music Man than anyone in the Bible....except, of course, for Wierwille's unhappy ending.

BUMP

[chockfull]

There is biblical character = to vp: Revelations 2:6: But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I [God] also hate.

Dale Sides, extwi 6th Corps now with his own ministry Liberating Ministries for Christ International, a number of years ago put forward that the Nicolaitanes are those who overcome (nico) people's (laos) free will. A perfect description of vp et al, in my opinion.

Interesting scripture and word breakdown. I hadn't heard that before. Thanks!!!

[WordWolf]

Interesting scripture and word breakdown. I hadn't heard that before. Thanks!!!

It's interesting,

but that doesn't guarantee it's true.

In fact, when ex-twi'ers come up with stuff, and there's nobody not ex-twi saying the same thing,

I get suspicious it's way off.

There's other POVs concerning this, and I think they're more accurate on this subject.

http://www.triumphpro.com/nicolaitans.htm

http://www.a-voice.org/library/nicolait.htm

http://www.wordoftruthradio.com/questions/38.html

http://www.lightsource.com/ministry/refuel-with-rick/articles/who-were-the-nicolaitans-and-what-was-their-doctrine-and-deeds--14510.html

[WordWolf]

There is biblical character = to vp: Revelations 2:6: But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I [God] also hate.

Dale Sides, extwi 6th Corps now with his own ministry Liberating Ministries for Christ International, a number of years ago put forward that the Nicolaitanes are those who overcome (nico) people's (laos) free will. A perfect description of vp et al, in my opinion.

The common thread I'm reading from other sources is that the Nicolatians were

antinomians. They taught that-since salvation is a gift- that they could sin

all they wanted and still retain salvation.

A perfect description of vpw in my opinion.

[chockfull]

It's interesting,

but that doesn't guarantee it's true.

In fact, when ex-twi'ers come up with stuff, and there's nobody not ex-twi saying the same thing,

I get suspicious it's way off.

There's other POVs concerning this, and I think they're more accurate on this subject.

http://www.triumphpro.com/nicolaitans.htm

http://www.a-voice.org/library/nicolait.htm

http://www.wordoftruthradio.com/questions/38.html

http://www.lightsource.com/ministry/refuel-with-rick/articles/who-were-the-nicolaitans-and-what-was-their-doctrine-and-deeds--14510.html

Thanks for those links too! you have an eye for thorough coverage and those links, while not covering ALL of the commentary on the verse, provides a pretty broad spectrum. I appreciate it!

Sure I realize outlier interpretations such as the previous one are not tremendously solid. However, I'm not in bigot censorship mode like I was in the ministry, so like to read them anyway. I also think that God is not beyond double entendre types of messages for those who want to look, and figures of speech and figurative language are a pretty rich source.

And also, I think there is a lot in the Bible about our experiences we haven't dug out yet. Certainly books like Galatians how it was taught to us we can do better. I don't need a doctorate in Biblical studies to know that topics like "who has bewitched you?" from Galatians have a lot better interpretations than Geer's head transforming into a picture of VP, for instance. In fact, as an answer to that question, my money is on the drunken lecherous plagiarist and his threefold children of hell successors as opposed to the wiles of the world, the love of money, or the other labels they would try and put on people while giving them the bum's rush.

[outandabout]

Ya, that really doesn't make a lot of sense.

I never got that either.

That is, the needs and wants being parallel thing.

Edited December 9, 2013 by outandabout