Now with the kinder more gentler TWI, is a re-uniting of these long lost friends coming?
What evidence indicates that they are "kinder & gentler"? Why do you think doctrinal changes have been reversed and followers have been treated better?
quote:What evidence indicates that they are "kinder & gentler"? Why do you think doctrinal changes have been reversed and followers have been treated better?
From what I've heard, participants aren't hassled about any other groups they might support and associate with. Also, CFF isn't as aggressive about collecting funds. (I'd be interested to hear what their take is on "Christians Should Be Prosperous"). Otherwise I think it's sort of like twi in the early 70's. But since I've never gone to any of their fellowships, I could be mistaken.
IT seems to me that TWI has pretty much disassociated themselves from VPW. I dug pretty deep in TWI's Website and found no mention of Mr Wierwille at all.
On the other hand many of the splinter groups seem to still hold VPW up as the "Father in the Word". I am not sure where CFF stands here, since thier website also seems to make no mention of VPW either but their page on Research Principles looks like it came directly out of PFAL and the doctrine seem pretty close to pre-Craigan TWI.
It's interesting that neither TWI nor CFF make any mention of VPW. (Unless I missed it). And unlike many other christian organizations, neither offer any organizational history or qualifications of their "leaders".
Like TWI, CFF has no members except for their board of trustees. So these five most likely make all the decisions without much official input from the "members" that they don't realy have.
I doubt that these two groups will ever unite. There is no way that their trustees would be willing to share power over their flocks or the associated revenue streams.
a taste of relative freedom after the split which they would no doubt lose upon reintegration into TWI. Their budget, teaching materials, and policies would have to be reconciled with current way teachings so what would be the win ? This is not to say that I think that CFF is necessarily right-on but
once you get a taste of independence it would
be hard to go back to the old ways where someone
else was calling the shots no matter how much
they've allegedly changed.
Goey said:
It's interesting that neither TWI nor CFF make any mention of VPW. (Unless I missed it). And
>>
My opinion on this is that they have chosen
to omit VPW references because a search on his
name would reveal information of a less than
positive nature. Add to this the books which
have been written that refer to VPW as the
leader of the cult called The Way International.
Now obviously if someone does a search on TWI
they will turn up and equal amount of negative
information though TWI can always claim that they have distanced itself from VPW in an attempt to represent themselves as a changed
quote:What evidence indicates that they are "kinder & gentler"? Why do you think doctrinal changes have been reversed and followers have been treated better?
From what I've heard, participants aren't hassled about any other groups they might support and associate with. Also, CFF isn't as aggressive about collecting funds. (I'd be interested to hear what their take is on "Christians Should Be Prosperous"). Otherwise I think it's sort of like twi in the early 70's. But since I've never gone to any of their fellowships, I could be mistaken.
OM...I think you misunderstand...I wasn't asking for indications of how CFF was kinder & gentler than TWI, but indications of how TWI now was kinder & gentler than it was under Martindale.
Recommended Posts
JustThinking
Even if you take them at face value, less harsh is only half of their objection.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
WhiteDove
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Shellon
How are their differences gone?
Link to comment
Share on other sites
dmiller
CFF?? Heard of them, but am not sure who they are.
-->
Link to comment
Share on other sites
dmiller
What an oxymoron!
-->
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Radar OReilly
PAT!!!!
Are you on drugs
??? If so. I want some right now!!! 
:D-->
No way, no how, under no circumstances, for any reason, will CFF and TWI ever be united in anyway.
Radar
Link to comment
Share on other sites
excathedra
except for maybe they have the same "father in the word"
and you know you only have ONE
Link to comment
Share on other sites
pjroberge
ex:
To quote a sci fi show called Babalon 5: "we live for the one (VPW) and die for the one"...Our father in da words?
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Shellon
I ask again How are their differences gone?
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Oakspear
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Zixar
I highly doubt that CFF will rejoin with TWI, and certainly never if Catcup and ResearchGeek have anything to say about it.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
oldiesman
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Goey
IT seems to me that TWI has pretty much disassociated themselves from VPW. I dug pretty deep in TWI's Website and found no mention of Mr Wierwille at all.
On the other hand many of the splinter groups seem to still hold VPW up as the "Father in the Word". I am not sure where CFF stands here, since thier website also seems to make no mention of VPW either but their page on Research Principles looks like it came directly out of PFAL and the doctrine seem pretty close to pre-Craigan TWI.
It's interesting that neither TWI nor CFF make any mention of VPW. (Unless I missed it). And unlike many other christian organizations, neither offer any organizational history or qualifications of their "leaders".
Like TWI, CFF has no members except for their board of trustees. So these five most likely make all the decisions without much official input from the "members" that they don't realy have.
I doubt that these two groups will ever unite. There is no way that their trustees would be willing to share power over their flocks or the associated revenue streams.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
excathedra
i'm pretty sure CFF pays homage to him in their version of the pfal class they teach
Link to comment
Share on other sites
excathedra
Link to comment
Share on other sites
excathedra
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Tom Strange
thanks for the laugh myseestorEx! I still get a kick out of "international countries" or "international foreign countries"!!!
but then again... I am simple...!
:D-->
Link to comment
Share on other sites
excathedra
wayspeak I and II and III whatever right ? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Link to comment
Share on other sites
diazbro
I can't see this happening. I'm sure CFF has had
a taste of relative freedom after the split which they would no doubt lose upon reintegration into TWI. Their budget, teaching materials, and policies would have to be reconciled with current way teachings so what would be the win ? This is not to say that I think that CFF is necessarily right-on but
once you get a taste of independence it would
be hard to go back to the old ways where someone
else was calling the shots no matter how much
they've allegedly changed.
Goey said:
It's interesting that neither TWI nor CFF make any mention of VPW. (Unless I missed it). And
>>
My opinion on this is that they have chosen
to omit VPW references because a search on his
name would reveal information of a less than
positive nature. Add to this the books which
have been written that refer to VPW as the
leader of the cult called The Way International.
Now obviously if someone does a search on TWI
they will turn up and equal amount of negative
information though TWI can always claim that they have distanced itself from VPW in an attempt to represent themselves as a changed
organziation. Of course TWI , CFF, or any
group with roots in TWI can talk up (pr not)
VPW if they want to on an informal basis.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Oakspear
OM...I think you misunderstand...I wasn't asking for indications of how CFF was kinder & gentler than TWI, but indications of how TWI now was kinder & gentler than it was under Martindale.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
oldiesman
Oakspear, you're correct -- I thought you were talking about CFF. Thanks.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.