lawsuits would be tricky, Belle. TWI's "offical policy" is to seek medical attention and not to stop taking medication prescribed by a doctor without the doctor's medication.
Advise we were given by "leadership" would quite possibly be seen by the courts as being no different than advise given by a friend, especially if that leadership did not have clergy status. Additionally, you would have to prove there were damages as a result of their bad advice.
Nonetheless, I think this is a great topic for discussion. How many others were advised to not seek medical attention, were treated badly when they did, etc.?
I have a friend whose young daughter fell and broke the denz (sp) bone in her neck. She had to have a bone graft to repair it. My friend and her husband were discouraged from going through with the surgery and reproved for not believing god enough for their daughter to be healed.
They followed their doctors advise and their daughter is now a beautiful teenaged girl.
If that is correct, that the official stance is seek medical help, it would seem that the agents who advise otherwise would be criminally negligent, in at least some of the cases. Proving it, on the other hand, may be a little difficult.
Well, in the mental realm anyway, it's in writing. It's in the syllabus, on that website, some allusion to it on their website and I have STS tapes of craig and other leaders talking about it. *shrug* I'm not saying a lawsuit would fly, especially as taboo as the mental health field is for some people. It just seems that if it could be documented that someone suffered job loss or some other quantifiable harm because they should have sought professional mental help that they would have a good case. Medical too, but I was thinking specifically of mental health.
Abi, so glad your friends didn't listen to TWIts about not having the surgery! Those are the kinds of things I wonder about. I'm sure more of those things happened than we're aware of.
Belle, I agree, to my eyes it's marginal. Plus, it just sounds cheesey. It begs the question - what if they're CHEAP counsellors or therapists. Then is it okay?
It just has that Pokey from Fanoaky ring to it - "well, you don't need none o' yore uptown citified group-hug, warm n fuzzy couns-u-lerz...you just need to sit here down and take this here thing a mah jig and saaahn it right thar, on that there dotted line. Here, you can use mah crayon...and listen to this'n here class what'll get yer mind right real kwik.........say, is that yore sister, she shore is perdy......"
It's bad advice. Granted, there's good to be gotten from biblical instruction and fellowship. People can be helped, or at least I think so, especially if they're not being beaten over the head with teachings about ice ages and treatment that wouldn't do a dog justice.
But presenting WAP as a first choice alternative to professional help is really really marginal, IMO. It's implied, clearly, on the web site statements about it. "you won't need that stuff if you take this"........................next thing, after taking it, if someone still says they need it, or continues to have similar problems as before WAP the WAP-pers have to defend the class and the teaching....."the class did it's part, you're just not ACTING on what you learned! say, is that your sister, she sure is perdy!"
They should reword it. "We think this class can help people everywhere, in many areas of life. Say, is that your brother, he sure is perdy!"
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lawsuits would be tricky, Belle. TWI's "offical policy" is to seek medical attention and not to stop taking medication prescribed by a doctor without the doctor's medication.
Advise we were given by "leadership" would quite possibly be seen by the courts as being no different than advise given by a friend, especially if that leadership did not have clergy status. Additionally, you would have to prove there were damages as a result of their bad advice.
Nonetheless, I think this is a great topic for discussion. How many others were advised to not seek medical attention, were treated badly when they did, etc.?
I have a friend whose young daughter fell and broke the denz (sp) bone in her neck. She had to have a bone graft to repair it. My friend and her husband were discouraged from going through with the surgery and reproved for not believing god enough for their daughter to be healed.
They followed their doctors advise and their daughter is now a beautiful teenaged girl.
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If that is correct, that the official stance is seek medical help, it would seem that the agents who advise otherwise would be criminally negligent, in at least some of the cases. Proving it, on the other hand, may be a little difficult.
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Well, in the mental realm anyway, it's in writing. It's in the syllabus, on that website, some allusion to it on their website and I have STS tapes of craig and other leaders talking about it. *shrug* I'm not saying a lawsuit would fly, especially as taboo as the mental health field is for some people. It just seems that if it could be documented that someone suffered job loss or some other quantifiable harm because they should have sought professional mental help that they would have a good case. Medical too, but I was thinking specifically of mental health.
Abi, so glad your friends didn't listen to TWIts about not having the surgery! Those are the kinds of things I wonder about. I'm sure more of those things happened than we're aware of.
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Belle, I agree, to my eyes it's marginal. Plus, it just sounds cheesey. It begs the question - what if they're CHEAP counsellors or therapists. Then is it okay?
It just has that Pokey from Fanoaky ring to it - "well, you don't need none o' yore uptown citified group-hug, warm n fuzzy couns-u-lerz...you just need to sit here down and take this here thing a mah jig and saaahn it right thar, on that there dotted line. Here, you can use mah crayon...and listen to this'n here class what'll get yer mind right real kwik.........say, is that yore sister, she shore is perdy......"
It's bad advice. Granted, there's good to be gotten from biblical instruction and fellowship. People can be helped, or at least I think so, especially if they're not being beaten over the head with teachings about ice ages and treatment that wouldn't do a dog justice.
But presenting WAP as a first choice alternative to professional help is really really marginal, IMO. It's implied, clearly, on the web site statements about it. "you won't need that stuff if you take this"........................next thing, after taking it, if someone still says they need it, or continues to have similar problems as before WAP the WAP-pers have to defend the class and the teaching....."the class did it's part, you're just not ACTING on what you learned! say, is that your sister, she sure is perdy!"
They should reword it. "We think this class can help people everywhere, in many areas of life. Say, is that your brother, he sure is perdy!"
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Socks - I just love the way you think!
you have a pt
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Thank you! I'm checking it now.
:)--> That may be cause to have your head examined, though. 
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Oakspear
How about marriage counsellors? Expensive or otherwise.
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excathedra
many people need the "expensive" lol counselors AFTER they get finished with the way international
then you might not have any money to pay for it
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JustThinking
Two thoughts:
I wonder if it would make sense to set up a fund to hire an attorney to investigate this? It has been talked about on more than one occasion.
Does anyone know if an attorney has ever been consulted on this and what the outcome was?
JT
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